CL Redux

Discussion in 'Journals' started by schizo, Oct 9, 2009.

  1. zxd

    zxd

    Well, oil just went south of 85.51, selling half now.

    Schizo, I think the 140 to 40 was an extreme case considering it was while we were in a severe recession.
     
    #14521     Jan 27, 2011
  2. zxd

    zxd

    87.50 is where I'm long from, ouch. I just closed half out at 85.50, I'll buy the half back in if it declines some more. I mean how much lower can it go?
     
    #14522     Jan 27, 2011
  3. schizo

    schizo

    Consider including this 3-year weekly chart into your plan.
     
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    #14523     Jan 27, 2011
  4. McBet

    McBet

    Could you also chart Brent crude oil for us please?
     
    #14524     Jan 27, 2011
  5. BCE

    BCE



    FWIW I couldn't disagree with this statement more. And your statement below points out why. Sometimes you're just wrong and your "plan" is not a good one. And the sooner you admit it, the less pain and destruction you'll suffer. This is true if your "plan" doesn't include a viable exit strategy if you are wrong. To not admit you are wrong is called "denial". And as was previously mentioned, "denial" is not a river in Egypt. Denial will eventually get you killed.

     
    #14525     Jan 27, 2011
  6. BCE

    BCE

    I was meaning to add some thoughts the other day on "conviction". Obviously we all have times when we feel strongly about where the market or an individual stock or contract is headed, up or down. The thing is, the market will tell us whether we are right or wrong. Period. The market of course doesn't give a flying f**k what we think. The market is going to do what it is going to do for a million different reasons.

    Here are some quotes from the George Soros on Trading thread I started a few weeks ago. http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...9&perpage=6&highlight=conviction&pagenumber=1

    The key words here are "when you're right".

     
    #14526     Jan 27, 2011
  7. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    The current contract started trading actively on 1/18. Everybody who shorted it between then and right this minute is profitable. Everybody. So shorts have no reason to buy right now.

    Nobody who went long between then and right this minute is profitable.

    There's really no incentive for anyone to buy right now, because the fundamentals are weak and technically we are in no man's land between here and 84.50 (11/30 support and 11/19 resistance).
     
    #14527     Jan 27, 2011
  8. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    My plan for that particular trade (a swing trade) was to hold until the disaster stop or my profit target was reached. I believed that price would never get to that stop (which was quite dumb as I was still quite the noob at the time), but it was my pre-trade plan nonetheless.
     
    #14528     Jan 27, 2011
  9. BCE

    BCE

    This is all of the stuff we've been talking about. I feel bad your trade is going so poorly. But the strategy of closing out half to buy back in lower and create a lower break even level can work but it's really dangerous to trade that way as we've pointed out. What if some other really bad fundamental news comes out that drives this considerably lower? Where will you exit? That's the problem with averaging into a losing position. A lot of times you "get away with it". But there are those times when it really goes against you and you run out of bullets. Or the pain is so great you just give it up and then feel really miserable at what you've done.

    And the other thing is the other half you're still holding is fighting the current trend. This is "babysitting" a losing position and it ties up your money that could be used for a better entry and winning position. It's better to cut the losses short originally and reassess the market.

    I'm not ragging on you at all. So please don't take it that way. Most all of us have done just this very thing. I speak from experience. Believe me. :) My post here is just as much a reminder to myself of what works well and what doesn't.
     
    #14529     Jan 27, 2011
  10. BCE

    BCE

    So are you saying basically that you need to make sure you have good plans but you should stick to your plan no matter what? Just curious what your take is.
     
    #14530     Jan 27, 2011