Pure and utter garbage. If there was not law and precedent forbidding it I would recommend you hang yourself.
Any fair person would want a level playing field for all. No special quotas, no racial favoritism just equal rights for all.
"All men are created equal" Those words tell us that all mean are created with equal rights under God. That doesn't mean some get better rights or others get lesser rights. It means we all get equal rights. Nothing more, nothing less. Your analogy doesn't apply.
"We'd love to not have our personal freedoms taken, bit by bit, justified by high rates of crime, committed disproportionately by other groups; yet the rules must apply to everyone equally hence we loose liberty too." The above is an extremely important point in a post filled with them. -"libertarianism" without hard-headed realism is essentially a non-sustainable suicide pact and completely vulnerable to all manor of threats (A perfect example being immigration by those hostile to liberty). -Not all peoples are capable of self-governance (Haiti, etc). To think otherwise at this point is blind, foolish idealism. Living among those incapable of such and importing more will inherently destroys ones own liberty and eventually an entire civilization.
That's what I consider most of your posts to be, and for good reason. Ever hear of Bernie Madoff? How about congressmen or wall street bankers? You should probably stick to polluting earth and contributing to global warming with your oil business. It's apparently the only thing you know anything about.
Well Ricter, This is sad. It appears blind hatred and rage has taken control of your critical reasoning facility. In what to this point has been a civil conversation (on controversial topics, which is difficult to do) you wish a painful death upon me. Two children would be left without a dad. That makes you a monster Ricter. Is that what you really are? Are you unable to provide a counterpoint? ...To create a reasoned response? To summon facts in defense of your assertions? This is a discussion forum. If you want to offer a viewpoint, why not present some facts? Why not write a thoughtful essay? Why not take apart my expressed viewpoint with a counterpoint? If this is beyond you (such that you resort to calls for violence) it is not my fault. Your call for violence makes you the ultimate loser Ricter. You certainly have lost the respect of many here who have followed this thread. I hope you are able to redeem yourself Ricter. I hope you are not evil but rather just vented out of frustration. For your sake.
One more point Ricter, as it is possible you did not decipher the nuance: I was not stating my OWN VIEWPOINT, but rather stating what I think is an UNDERLYING PREMISE to LIBERAL IDEOLOGY. -Folks, lets not let let Ricter lead this conversation into the gutter with calls for violence and hate. That kind of ugliness contributes nothing to our understanding of the issues and is a perfect example of the attitude that is harming our country:
Thankfully, I have avoided being violently victimized by blacks- although it's not because they haven't tried, but because I won the conflict. Thankfully I was in very good shape in those days. So no, I have never been violently victimized by black people, although some black people have burglarized my home and car. One time I was attacked by blacks, I was at an all black (except for me and two mexicans) nightclub. If it weren't for the fact that I was there with a sizable group of my black friends and acquaintances, and knew the deejay and 2 of the bouncers, I could well be dead. There was more than one shooting, and stabbings at that club. It was because I was getting cozy with a black girl, probably the best looking girl hands down there. We were flirting, dancing, all over each other, etc, As you might expect, this pissed many of the black guys there off, to the point of physical assault, threats of murder after they lost the conflict, etc. They weren't gonna have some crackah getting it on with one of 'their women', and certainly not the most attractive one... Notice how often you will see the occasional black guy or two at virtually all white clubs hitting on white girls, many times successfully, and the white guys don't say a word, they don't care. If any of them did say anything, most of their friends would tell them they were being racist, etc. In the white crowd, it's rare anyone has anything to say about it. Yet, when the honkey boy gets popular with the black chicks... no sir... that is worth attacking someone, and even getting injured over... threatening death even... Yet blacks often go to mostly white bars, trying to pick up white women, and often accuse them of being "racist" when the white women are disinterested in them. I used to be in the nightclub business, and have seen this over and over again. I am from a city which is just over 50% black. It's almost unheard of to hear of a shooting or stabbing in a bar/club which is almost all white. They are fairly common at many of the black venues. Not hate, just facts. Anyhow, besides the burglary and vandalism, that's the closest I have personally come to being victimized by blacks. However, I do have many friends, acquaintances, and some family members who have been victimized by blacks and/or latinos; including murder and rape victims. None of them have ever been victimized in such a way by a white person. I'm hardly unique in this regard. You'll find that people's experience is very consistent with the crime data stats. Despite the justice dept's attempts to ignore these facts, and repackage the data on racial crime stats to more closely fit the PC paradigm, actual people know the reality. The reality is that, for "whatever reason", the likelihood that you or your loved ones will be victimized by a nonwhite is several multiples the likelihood that you will be victimized by a caucasian. Whatever your favorite theory is as to WHY that is the case is irrelevant, but the accuracy of the claim is irrefutable. The source of my frustration? Well, let's see, having other groups of people rape, murder, rob, and attack members of my ethnic group at over 1200% the rate at which my group commits such actions upon them, then be told that it's somehow my group's collective fault, or that I'm "racist" for even noticing it is pretty damned offensive. Then having the government discriminate against my ethnic group for job selection, education, funding, and public aid, in favor of the group who is committing these violent crimes against my ethnic group is pretty offensive, especially when they are simultaneously telling me how bad racial discrimination is, and at the same time that race doesn't exist... Also, the set of legislation and enhanced punishments which 90% of the time are used against people of MY ethnic group, when the other groups are committing interracial crime at 1200%+ the rate my group is... that's kind of offensive too. "Affirmative Action" generally means "harsher punishment for white people who victimize nonwhites". Even though whites commit a minute fraction of the interracial crime... I also get frustrated with the fact that every other group of people is encouraged to "celebrate their culture", or to be proud of their ethnicity. Ethnocentric sentiments are encouraged for everyone, except white people of course. Any notion of ethnocentricism in white people is immediately called "hate" or "racism". Other groups can have "wise latinas" or "strong black men", "black history month", or "latino achievement weeks", but for some reason any notion of white people having any such ethnic pride is "hate" or "bigotry", despite the fact that white people, my people, are the people who built this civilization. So yeah, that's kind of offensive too. The way white children are taught a PC approved, and factually inaccurate rendition of history, and that white children are taught that their civilization and ancestors have been uniquely oppressive and barbaric, when in fact they built the greatest civilization in history, and have been one of the most humane civilizations in recorded history... That's kind of offensive too...