Now here is a pretty dispositive piece of history... if its accurate. Showing: who caused the crusades, who started them, when and how https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010...d-four-centuries-before-the-western-crusades/ ISLAMIC CRUSADES 630 Muhammad conquers Mecca from his base in Medina. 632 Muhammad dies in Medina. Islam controls the Hijaz. 636 Muslims conquest of Syria, and the surrounding lands, all Christian – including Palestine and Iraq. 637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq (some date it in 635 or 636). 638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines. 638 – 650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea. 639 – 642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt. 641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine. 643 – 707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa. 644 – 650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind. 673 – 678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire. 691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death. 710 – 713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley. 711 – 713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. The Muslim conquest moves into Europe. 718 Conquest of Spain complete. 732 Muslim invasion of France is stopped at the Battle of Poitiers / Battle of Tours. The Franks, under their leader Charles Martel (the grandfather of Charlemagne), defeat the Muslims and turn them back out of France. 762 Foundation of Baghdad. 785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova. 789 Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed. 800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia 807 Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses & of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem. 809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy. 813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country. 831 Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy. 837 – 901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France. 869 – 883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq. 909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia. 928 – 969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969). 937 The Church of the Resurrection (aka Church of Holy Sepulcher) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked. 960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam. 969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo. 973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids. 1003 First persecutions by al—Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed. 1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al—Hakim (see 937). 1012 Beginning of al—Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians. 1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law. 1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia. 1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine. 1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders). 1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia. 1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana. 1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca. 1090 – 1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands. START OF WESTERN CRUSADES Only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions is when Western Christendom launches its first Crusades. 1094 Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk (Muslim Turks) invasions of his territory. 1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099. https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010...d-four-centuries-before-the-western-crusades/ Islamics Launched their Crusades in 630 A.D. Western Crusades started in 1095 A.D. to Stop Muslim Invasion The Crusades were started by the Muslims in the year 630 A.D. when Muhammad invaded and conquered Mecca. Later on, Muslims invaded Syria, Iraq, Jerusalem, Iran, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Italy, France, etc. The Western Crusades started around 1095 to try to stop the Islamic aggressive invasions. Islamic Crusades continued even after the Western Crusades. Islam – Not a Religion of Peace Islam has killed about 270 million people: 120 million Africans*, 60 million Christians, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists, etc. Forced conversions to Islam have been the norm, across three continents—Asia, Africa, and Europe—for over 13 centuries. Orders for conversion were decreed under all the early Islamic dynasties, under both Seljuk and Ottoman Turkish rule, and in Persia/Iran and the Indian subcontinent, etc. Islam has been at a continuous war against non-Muslims for almost 1400 years (since Muhammad.)
So the purpose of the thread is to discuss your thesis without regard for how true it is? How rigorous of you.
Here is another timeline showing the Islamic Crusades began the Crusades.. http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/crusades_timeline.htm The Timeline 630 Two years before Muhammad’s death of a fever, he launches the Tabuk Crusades, in which he led 30,000 jihadists against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a report that a huge army had amassed to attack Arabia, but the report turned out to be a false rumor. The Byzantine army never materialized. He turned around and went home, but not before extracting "agreements" from northern tribes. They could enjoy the "privilege" of living under Islamic "protection" (read: not be attacked by Islam), if they paid a tax. This tax sets the stage for Muhammad’s and the later Caliphs’ policies. If the attacked city or region did not want to convert to Islam, then they paid a jizya tax. If they converted, then they paid a zakat tax. Either way, money flowed back to the Islamic treasury in Arabia or to the local Muslim governor. 632-634 Under the Caliphate of Abu Bakr the Muslim Crusaders reconquer and sometimes conquer for the first time the polytheists of Arabia. These Arab polytheists had to convert to Islam or die. They did not have the choice of remaining in their faith and paying a tax. Islam does not allow for religious freedom. 633 The Muslim Crusaders, led by Khalid al-Walid, a superior but bloodthirsty military commander, whom Muhammad nicknamed the Sword of Allah for his ferocity in battle (Tabari, 8:158 / 1616-17), conquer the city of Ullays along the Euphrates River (in today’s Iraq). Khalid captures and beheads so many that a nearby canal, into which the blood flowed, was called Blood Canal (Tabari 11:24 / 2034-35). 634 At the Battle of Yarmuk in Syria the Muslim Crusaders defeat the Byzantines. Today Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the defeat, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al-Walid. In Khalid’s day an unnamed Muslim remarks: "The Romans are so numerous and the Muslims so few." To this Khalid retorts: "How few are the Romans, and how many the Muslims! Armies become numerous only with victory and few only with defeat, not by the number of men. By God, I would love it . . . if the enemy were twice as many" (Tabari, 11:94 / 2095). Osama bin Ladenquotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This philosophy of death probably comes from a verse like Sura 2:96. Muhammad assesses the Jews: "[Prophet], you are sure to find them [the Jews] clinging to life more eagerly than any other people, even polytheists" (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004; first insertion in brackets is Haleem’s; the second mine). 634-644 The Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab, who is regarded as particularly brutal. 635 Muslim Crusaders besiege and conquer of Damascus. 636 Muslim Crusaders defeat Byzantines decisively at Battle of Yarmuk. 637 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (some date it in 635 or 636). 638 Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines. 638-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea. 639-642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt. 641 Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine. 643-707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa. 644 Caliph Umar is assassinated by a Persian prisoner of war; Uthman ibn Affan is elected third Caliph, who is regarded by many Muslims as gentler than Umar. 644-650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind. 656 Caliph Uthman is assassinated by disgruntled Muslim soldiers; Ali ibn Abi Talib, son-in-law and cousin to Muhammad, who married the prophet’s daughter Fatima through his first wife Khadija, is set up as Caliph. 656 Battle of the Camel, in which Aisha, Muhammad’s wife, leads a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman’s assassination. Ali’s partisans win. 657 Battle of Siffin between Ali and Muslim governor of Jerusalem, arbitration goes against Ali 661 Murder of Ali by an extremist; Ali’s supporters acclaim his son Hasan as next Caliph, but he comes to an agreement with Muawiyyah I and retires to Medina. 661-680 the Caliphate of Muawiyyah I. He founds Umayyid dynasty and moves capital from Medina to Damascus 673-678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire 680 Massacre of Hussein (Muhammad’s grandson), his family, and his supporters in Karbala, Iraq. 691 Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death. 705 Abd al-Malik restores Umayyad rule. 710-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley. 711-713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. This article recounts how Muslims today still grieve over their expulsion 700 years later. They seem to believe that the land belonged to them in the first place. 719 Cordova, Spain, becomes seat of Arab governorship. 732 The Muslim Crusaders are stopped at the Battle of Poitiers; that is, Franks (France) halt Arab advance. 749 The Abbasids conquer Kufah and overthrow Umayyids. 756 Foundation of Umayyid emirate in Cordova, Spain, setting up an independent kingdom from Abbasids. 762 Foundation of Baghdad 785 Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova 789 Rise of Idrisid emirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; foundation of Fez; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed. 800 Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia. 807 Caliph Harun al-Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses and of the Church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem. 809 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy. 813 Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country. 831 Muslim Crusaders capture of Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy. 850 Caliph al-Matawakkil orders the destruction of non-Muslim houses of prayer. 855 Revolt of the Christians of Hims (Syria) 837-901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France. 869-883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq 909 Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia. 928-969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969). 937 The Ikhshid, a particularly harsh Muslim ruler, writes to Emperor Romanus, boasting of his control over the holy places. 937 The Church of the Resurrection (known as Church of Holy Sepulcher in Latin West) is burned down by Muslims; more churches in Jerusalem are attacked . 960 Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam 966 Anti-Christian riots in Jerusalem 969 Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo. c. 970 Seljuks enter conquered Islamic territories from the East. 973 Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids. 1003 First persecutions by al-Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed. 1009 Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al-Hakim (see 937) 1012 Beginning of al-Hakim’s oppressive decrees against Jews and Christians 1015 Earthquake in Palestine; the dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses. 1031 Collapse of Umayyid Caliphate and establishment of 15 minor independent dynasties throughout Muslim Andalus 1048 Reconstruction of the Church of the Resurrection completed 1050 Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (also known as Murabitun) are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law. 1055 Seljuk Prince Tughrul enters Baghdad, consolidation of the Seljuk Sultanate. 1055 Confiscation of property of Church of the Resurrection 1071 Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia. 1071 Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine. 1073 Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders) 1075 Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia. 1076 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana. 1085 Toledo is taken back by Christian armies. 1086 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca. 1090-1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands. 1094 Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help against Seljuk invasions of his territory; Seljuks are Muslim Turkish family of eastern origins; see 970. 1095 Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099
Look at the battle map 2 minutes in. Look at the waves of Islamic attacks conquering a Christian Middle East.... the Jihad. Here is a map of over 540 battles the started. then at 4 minutes.. he shows the crusade battles. Note.. Islam took 1 million slaves out of Europe.
So which religion is the most fucked up? Which one has acted as cover for the most killing, praise-the-lord. Answer: Christianity. Do unto others and then split.
Good question why don't you get back to us with the research... fc. Who killed more... Muslims, Christians or big big govt abortionists... or anti religion people like Stalin and Pol Pot and the communist Chinese? When you look at the list of killers in the last 400 years... it goes big govt anti religion poeple, muslim, christian. And because of the numbers... that is probably the all time list too.
the above is db's douche and derail strategy in action. he implies leftist b.s. but leaves his post vague enough to argue it means whatever he prefers it to mean later.
No intent to derail at all. Just pointing out the flaw in your thesis. If you want to insist that it's all about religion and ignore everything that happened before Mohammed, that's your privilege. But it doesn't make your thesis true. It's just another example of your usual sloppy thinking.
but even the way you restate my thesis is a "douche and derail" tactic. The thesis presented here is that Christianity is not the cause of the problems we currently experience with Islamic terrorism and aggression. Ironically, your argument supports my true thesis.