China pushes back against US sanctions with new rules

Discussion in 'Economics' started by themickey, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    There is a specialized chip in every phone dedicated to monitoring.
     
    #31     Apr 21, 2021
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  2. userque

    userque

    And if I, a US citizen, am going to be monitored; who would I prefer monitoring me?

    My country, or a foreign country.

    It is extremely silly, to allow a foreign country, to bug, or potentially bug, your nation's communications' grid.

    And you won't even need a chip if you have hardware on the network and, of course, access to all of the communication protocols.

    @VicBee , do you understand now? Did I dumb it down well enough? Maybe think ... before you pop off next time.

    I'm not saying China is the only one. All nations spy.

    But it is stupid for a nation to invite a foreign, non-ally, superpower, full access to their network, when there are other options.
     
    #32     Apr 21, 2021
  3. themickey

    themickey

    The only thing to think about; the West wish to spread democracy, China wants to kill it.
    No government is perfect, but a democratic process allows for openness and criticism.
    An open process allows for inspection and rectification if things get out of hand without the fear of retribution so long as lawful.
    Democratic laws are different from autocratic laws.
     
    #33     Apr 21, 2021
  4. VicBee

    VicBee

    Please lead to any reputable article confirming this? Reputable does not include Fox News, New York Post, The Blaze, Breitbar or other far right "news" sources...
     
    #34     Apr 21, 2021
  5. VicBee

    VicBee

    Yes, that's what you were taught in high school. But America doesn't want to spread democracy as much as it wants to prevent the spread of governments that don't view capitalism central to their economy. Ask Chile or Iran or Vietnam or Cuba or Nicaragua, or most Central American nations how they feel about their democratic aspirations trampled by US corporations and US governments at different times of the 20th century. You're probably ok with that because, well, you were told that America was fighting communism, even if the population of these countries voted democratically for socialism. The fools just didn't know what they really wanted...
    China fought a fratricide war for communism against entrenched powerful capitalist lords and won. While the Chinese have never known electoral democracy, they nonetheless are highly supportive of their government if you could believe it. Because communism, not capitalism, has raised the standard of living of the greatest population number than any other country in world's history, in 30 years! Reality is that China is not a communist country, it's a dictatorship with a hybrid social capitalist economic system. Ultimately it suits its population, with all of its achievements and flaws. But China doesn't give 2 fucs about preventing democracy. It cares that no one tells them what they can do about their country, which includes Hong Kong (for sure) and, they say, Taiwan, which may be the start of a small or big war with many who don't see it that way.
    Chinese tend to be culturally rigid people. Work, money, family are the pillars of that culture today. They are very hierarchical and criticism only goes downwards. If you want to criticize, you have to climb the ladder and shout from above.
    You or I may not like their ways, but it's theirs and they never attempted to force it on us like we westerners have tried to force our ways on them for centuries. The future will require the western world not to let them bully us, but we also need to respect them. I'm not sure which is going to be the harder.
     
    #35     Apr 21, 2021
  6. ph1l

    ph1l

    Everyone should have one of these.
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    :)
     
    #36     Apr 21, 2021
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  7. userque

    userque

    That doesn't work on the newer chips.
     
    #37     Apr 21, 2021
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  8. JSOP

    JSOP

    #38     Apr 21, 2021
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  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    I think that Aussieland should let China come down there and let them wander the land. Everything in Australia kills people, and Aussies know this. Chinese folks do not. So they will be eaten/killed by Aussieland flora and fauna. Case closed.
     
    #39     Apr 21, 2021
  10. JSOP

    JSOP

    China doesn't want to kill democracy. It just wants global dominance and rules over the whole world. That's all. To China, it doesn't have the concept of democracy or dictatorship, just control. It doesn't see it has dictatorship. You can have all the democracy you want, human rights, whatever you want, but it has to be under its control. When it says you can have this, you have this. When it says you can't, you can't. It's order before anything else, rules before freedom, limits before rights. Graphically, it's a circle inside of a square.

    In the West, we believe in the opposite. We believe in general freedom and rights for all but creating rules and limits for specific situations. So graphically, it's squares inside of a circle.
     
    #40     Apr 21, 2021