China May ‘Crash’ in Next 9 to 12 Months, Faber Says

Discussion in 'Economics' started by bearice, May 3, 2010.

  1. May 3 (Bloomberg) -- Investor Marc Faber said China’s economy will slow and possibly “crash” within a year as declines in stock and commodity prices signal the nation’s property bubble is set to burst.

    The Shanghai Composite Index has failed to regain its 2009 high while industrial commodities and shares of Australian resource exporters are acting “heavy,” Faber said. The opening of the World Expo in Shanghai last week is “not a particularly good omen,” he said, citing a property bust and depression that followed the 1873 World Exhibition in Vienna.

    “The market is telling you that something is not quite right,” Faber, the publisher of the Gloom, Boom & Doom report, said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Hong Kong today. “The Chinese economy is going to slow down regardless. It is more likely that we will even have a crash sometime in the next nine to 12 months.”

    An index tracking Chinese stocks traded in Hong Kong dropped 1.8 percent today, the most in two weeks, after the central bank raised reserve requirements for the third time this year. The Shanghai Composite has slumped 12 percent this year, Asia’s worst performer, as policy makers seek to rein in a lending boom that’s spurred record gains in property prices. China’s markets are shut for a holiday today.

    Copper touched a seven-week low and BHP Billiton Ltd., the world’s biggest mining company, fell the most since February on concern spending in the world’s third-largest economy will slow and after Australia boosted taxes on commodities producers. Rio Tinto Ltd., the third-largest, slid as much as 6 percent.

    Chanos, Rogoff

    Faber joins hedge fund manager Jim Chanos and Harvard University’s Kenneth Rogoff in warning of a crash in China.

    China is “on a treadmill to hell” because it’s hooked on property development for driving growth, Chanos said in an interview last month. As much as 60 percent of the country’s gross domestic product relies on construction, he said. Rogoff said in February a debt-fueled bubble in China may trigger a regional recession within a decade.

    The government has banned loans for third homes and raised mortgage rates and down-payment requirements for second-home purchases. Prices rose 11.7 percent across 70 cities in March from a year earlier, the most since data began in 2005.

    The government has stopped short of raising interest rates to contain property prices. Within an hour of the central bank announcement on reserve ratios, Finance Minister Xie Xuren said that officials remained committed to expansionary policies to cement the nation’s recovery.

    Stocks ‘Fully Priced’

    The nation’s economy grew 11.9 percent in the first quarter, the fastest pace in almost three years. The government projects gross domestic product growth for the year of about 8 percent.

    The clampdown on property speculation may prompt investors to turn to the nation’s stock market, Faber said. Still, shares are “fully priced” and Chinese investors may instead become “big buyers” of gold, he said.

    BlackRock Inc. is among money managers reducing their holdings on Chinese stocks on expectations that economic growth has peaked. The BlackRock Emerging Markets Fund has widened its “underweight” position for China versus the MSCI Emerging Markets Index to about 7.5 percent from 4.6 percent at the end of March, the fund’s London-based co-manager Dan Tubbs said.

    Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Ltd., China Construction Bank Corp. and Bank of China Ltd, the nation’s three largest banks, are trading near their lowest valuations on record as rising profits are eclipsed by concern bad loans will increase.

    Local Governments

    Citigroup Inc. warned in March that in a “worst case scenario,” the non-performing loans of local-government investment vehicles, used to channel money to stimulus projects, could swell to 2.4 trillion yuan by 2011.

    Housing prices nationwide may fall as much as 20 percent in the second half of the year on government measures to curb speculation, BNP Paribas said April 23. Under a stress test conducted by the Shanghai branch of the China Banking Regulatory Commission in February, local banks’ ratio of delinquent mortgages would triple should home prices in the country’s commercial center decline 10 percent.

    Shanghai is projecting as many as 70 million visitors to the $44 billion World Expo, more than 10 times the number who traveled to the 2008 Beijing Olympics. More than 433,000 people visited the 5.3 square-kilometer (3.3 square-mile) park on its first weekend.

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  2. The irony! The next Chinese New Year will be the year of "The Bear". :D :eek: :(
     
  3. S2007S

    S2007S

    Remember booms don't last forever,the booms we have in our economy are just asset bubbles after asset bubbles after asset bubbles, that's the only way the know how to create growth.


    This would be the best buying opportunity according every bull on wallstreet, even now they say its the best time to buy. When does a bull say its not the time to buy????
     
  4. When the market is in downtrend...

    When does a perma bear admit he's lost a shit load of money in a year-long bull market?
     
  5. Or more precisely... "we can no longer generate REAL growth in the US economy, so we settle for BOOM AND BUST... MONEY-PUMP INDUCED BUBBLES (inflationary) as the mechanism to forestall economic collapse... while government SPENDS ITS FRICKIN' BRAINS OUT"...
     
  6. subban

    subban

    Anyone think a good play would be to buy EEV(UltraShort Emerging Markets Fund). It was $200 in '08-'09 during credit crisis. Now its at $40.
     
  7. the only thing i would advise is gold or silver
     
  8. subban

    subban

    That seems reasonable too. But if you look at FXP (ultrashort China FTSE index) it was $600 in '08-'09 beginning. Now its $40. If there is a crash that etf could take off.
     
  9. I am somewhat likely to believe Chanos's analysis. He was one of the first to pick up on Enron as well...
     
  10. pma

    pma

    LOL :D
     
    #10     May 5, 2010