China is national security threat No. 1 JOHN RATCLIFFE

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Dec 3, 2020.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Hey birdy, it's cheap not cheep.
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    #21     Dec 4, 2020
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  2. Yeh, that makes cents.

    :cool:
     
    #22     Dec 4, 2020
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    When it comes to runaway consumerism, it will always be cheep shit. It's my way, heh.

     
    #23     Dec 4, 2020
  4. tsznecki

    tsznecki

    Trump already tried that. I don't see China's economy imploding. Think harder before you post your next post.
     
    #24     Dec 4, 2020
  5. bone

    bone

    Tariffs are different than Embargoes.

    Think before you troll.

     
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    #25     Dec 4, 2020
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    embargos require allies, and an economy that's not codependent. Follow your own advise.
     
    #26     Dec 4, 2020
  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Good.

    No, they require navy's. Of which we have the best in the world.

    EDIT:
    Case closed.
     
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    #27     Dec 4, 2020
  8. VicBee

    VicBee

    My personal take on the Chinese fear mongering is this: Trump is a white nationalist. His attempted rapprochement with Russia is because they are also white nationalists, believing that the white race is superior and ought to remain that way. Thus it made sense for Trump and his cohort of white nationalists to try to break that cold war, anti Russian, American mindset. They failed primarily because Russia helped elect Trump, were caught, and raised anti Russian sentiment among the general American population.
    For Trump et al. the real enemies of the white race are the Chinese, easily identifiable, communists and becoming really powerful both economically and militarily. The goal of the Trump adminstration has been to reframe our enemies away from Russia to China. They partly succeeded.... Now we have 2 enemies.
    I refuse to look at relationships with other countries as enemies, particularly if they have never threatened to attack or kill our people. Yes, China is a formidable competitor that we created. We gave them the business, we became very rich in the process, we sold them everything we possibly could so they would develop and, they did. But China was never going to simply bow and let westerners come in and do as they please. They watched and learned and copied and created rules to benefit local industries. Nothing we haven't done or wouldn't do. Because of their political economy they planned their development and in 20 years became a global powerhouse which managed to pull 400 million people out of poverty. No small feat! And China shows the world that economic success doesn't have to come from western capitalism.
    I lived in China and can say their work ethics and drive to succeed is unmatchable in the US. They think generational and will work to death for their kids to have more, so they too can work hard for their kids to have more. They look at other cultures and say they're lazy, that success comes from hard work and sacrifices, something that we, in America and Europe, have long forgotten, except perhaps for our recent immigrants.
    I can also say that Chinese are hierarchical and ruthless towards each other first. Obedience to the superior makes everyone try to become the boss. Factory workers will quit their jobs and build a factory next to their old one making the same thing for a few pennies less and if an employee figures out how to make the same thing cheaper? He will also quit and build his factory next door to make the same thing. We westerners don't understand any of this. We create laws to protect our discoveries our ideas and processes while the Chinese figure out how to make the same things cheaper. Often they look the same but aren't... You're the fool who didn't know what you bought! Frankly, it reminded me of Europe in the 70s when consumer protections didn't exist.
    Chinese can teach Americans about capitalism because they live it without rules, much like some Americans on the right think we should live it. Their entrepreneurial drive is unrivaled.
    The cultural divide is huge, but suggesting they are enemies is plain wrong. They don't want war, they want to compete and show the world that they can beat anyone at anything. If they don't succeed the first time, they will try again and again until they do. We frame their competitive spirit as a threat as opposed to a challenge. We complain about their theft while we hide out stealing. We worry about their military while we spend more on ours than the next 10 countries together.
    I was happy to leave China. They're exhausting, they have no space for kindness and silence and contemplation, other than the wealthy and the monks.
    Will we push each other to war? It's quite possible as I said before. It will be focused, short and decisive. A lesson for both parties to reflect on boundaries.
     
    #28     Dec 5, 2020
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  9. tsznecki

    tsznecki

    Right because the US is really going to impose an embargo full stop no trade with China a top 3 trading partner. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    You realized China isn't going to attack US soil anytime soon, as absurd as that sounds. Do you realize how ridiculous no trade with China is?

    What's the next absurd statement from you?
     
    #29     Dec 5, 2020
  10. bone

    bone

    If you had even bothered to read my earlier posts to Beautiful Stranger in this thread, you would have realized that was exactly what I was saying to him. He brought up the idea of the Chinese attacking the US (on the US mainland no less) through the use of Chinese Special Forces and (bizarrely) partisans.

    Which, of course, I explained to him earlier in this thread is an asinine proposition for geopolitical and economic reasons.

    In the as-discussed context of War - you don’t trade with your enemy.

    You are so eager to troll me, that you conveniently ignore all facts and context in the process.

     
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    #30     Dec 5, 2020