Chicago trader seeking advice

Discussion in 'Hook Up' started by porkchop_001, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. Cesko

    Cesko

    Someone suggested reading countless books, instead spend that time watching a price action. Do not bother with indicators.
     
    #41     Sep 26, 2007
  2. I have been trying to pay a lot of attention to the price action and would be very interested in any action theories you would be willing to share.

    Thanks
     
    #42     Sep 26, 2007
  3. PREM/DISC tick by tick to FV, and be aware of the pivot points, they tend to be a self-fulfilling prophecy intraday. Watch how they work like little trading troughs.

    Don
     
    #43     Sep 26, 2007
  4. I think I understand what you mean about the pivot points and them acting like intra day troughs, but I do not know what you mean by Prem/Disc tick by tick to the FV.
     
    #44     Sep 26, 2007
  5. MarkBrown

    MarkBrown

    look i can see your view can you see mine?


    i was asked one time by the worlds greatest biggest trader. what is your educational background he asked? i responded immediately without hesitation, well tell me who taught Einstein?

    i was hired and worked for his group for many years prior to opening a cta in which we were named the #1 emerging cta's in the country our first two years.

    then my partner got cancer and ran off with all our money. i have been a private trader since.

    mb

    ps i will go on to say there are many idiots both well and not so well educated, what really matters is passion...
     
    #45     Sep 26, 2007
  6. I have never found passion to be a match for having an edge. I have also never found psychology nor a lot of other stuff to be much use. IMO, the reason that 95% of leveraged traders lose their money is mostly due to an overoptimistic assessment about their trading acumen combined with lacking a significant edge.

    I will agree that education is no guarantee of success.
     
    #46     Sep 26, 2007
  7. PhiliC

    PhiliC

    rcanfiel --

    you are so right . The essence of futures trading is "odds based" educated gambling. Don't care how much passion one has -- w/out an edge forget it. Plus there aren't that many edges.

    recently I had a fantastic edge in the bonds before the one way street markets this past month. It was easy and great while it lasted. What do you think made most of those floor traders $ -- the b/a edge -- that's all!! Simple. W/out it they're out of biz. I even read that Baldwin blew alot of the $ he made. Don't know if its actually true or not. Just curious -- if anyone knows the story about TB I'd like to hear it.

    Porkchop -- this racket is ripe w/ tons of disappointment. Do yourself a favor -- get away from that emini. That thing was invented by the devil himself. Focus on stocks or starting a real biz-- your chances of success are much better.

    I've been at this for 20+ yrs, i traded on the floor in NY, and have seen a lot. A friend one time asked me to teach him all about options. My reply was to keep doing the conservative investing that you are doing and pretend that you never heard the word "options". He listened. I probably saved that guy a ton of $.

    Unfortunately he's not the smartest guy around and he bought over priced RE instead. Hey -- I tried!!

    Nevertheless - good luck!
     
    #47     Sep 27, 2007
  8. Maybe read this, and then feel free to ask any specific questions.

    http://www.programtrading.com/fvalue.htm

    Don
     
    #48     Sep 27, 2007
  9. 2006

    2006

    Passion is what will get you that edge. If don't give a shit than like you will get no where, much like any other endeavor.
     
    #49     Sep 27, 2007
  10. PhiliC

    PhiliC

    You wanna bet jackson... When you have a real edge its so easy -- you can't believe it. Like taking candy from a baby. When you don't -- its back to the same old grind...

    Don't believe me. Ask any of the successful old timers.
     
    #50     Sep 27, 2007