Cheney's KO of Obama

Discussion in 'Politics' started by bugscoe, May 22, 2009.

  1. Sorry, WWII was a real war against real enemies. War on terror is a fake war against mythical organizations (al-quaeda)

     
    #41     May 22, 2009
  2. Arnie

    Arnie

    This post says it all......In 2 sentences you have defined the left better than anyone.
     
    #42     May 22, 2009
  3. Tomorrow we will be at the Marine Club in San Francisco Honoring fallen Marines in foreign wars. When I'm in Southern California we generally visit the Veterans Park Conservancy.

    What is your Memorial Day tradition Kurt?
    Have a nice Memorial Day weekend.


     
    #43     May 22, 2009
  4. Yea. Who could be more savage and uncivilized than Japan and Germany. A couple of really rogue nations, eh?

    Did Germany ever attack the U.S. before we declared war on them?


     
    #44     May 22, 2009
  5. Mr. Mensa epic fail. Germany declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor to show solidarity for their axis ally Japan. US declared war in response.
     
    #45     May 22, 2009
  6. Pabst fail? LMAO.

    "The Government of the United States having violated in the most flagrant manner and in ever-increasing measure all rules of neutrality in favor of the adversaries of Germany and having continually been guilty of the most severe provocations toward Germany ever since the outbreak of the European war, provoked by the British declaration of war against Germany on September 3, 1939, has finally resorted to open military acts of aggression.

    On September 11, 1941, the President of the United States publicly declared that he had ordered the American Navy and Air Force to shoot on sight at any German war vessel. In his speech of October 27, 1941, he once more expressly affirmed that this order was in force. Acting under this order, vessels of the American Navy, since early September 1941, have systematically attacked German naval forces. Thus, American destroyers, as for instance the Greer, the Kearny and the Reuben James, have opened fire on German submarines according to plan. The Secretary of the American Navy, Mr. Knox, himself confirmed that American destroyers attacked German submarines.

    Furthermore, the naval forces of the United States, under order of their Government and contrary to international law have treated and seized German merchant vessels on the high seas as enemy ships.

    The German Government therefore establishes the following facts:

    Although Germany on her part has strictly adhered to the rules of international law in her relations with the United States during every period of the present war, the Government of the United States from initial violations of neutrality has finally proceeded to open acts of war against Germany. The Government of the United States has thereby virtually created a state of war.

    The German Government, consequently, discontinues diplomatic relations with the United States of America and declares that under these circumstances brought about by President Roosevelt, Germany too, as from today, considers herself as being in a state of war with the United States of America.

    Accept, Mr. Chargé d'Affaires, the expression of my high consideration.

    December 11, 1941


     
    #46     May 22, 2009
  7. Yes LMAO, it was never in doubt as to who US was helping and US was far from an innocent bystander, as to OFFICIAL DECLARATION of WAR, the events unfolded exactly as I said. Furthermore, look at the stamp December 11. According to that document US engaged in openly hostile behavior as far as September. What was Germany waiting for?


     
    #47     May 22, 2009
  8. Italy and Germany were bound by treaty to war alongside Japan. Hitler regretted the Tripartite Pact for that very reason.

    Many FDR skeptics believe he provoked Japan into attack not so much to fight the Nips as much as to lure in Germany. American voters were very against fighting Hitler. As such FDR made a big effort to run on a 1940 peace platform. He lied HIS ASS OFF.


     
    #48     May 22, 2009
  9. You are quite proficient at demagoguery. What does it have to do with the fact that Germany declared war on US first? Your statement was not about why US was hostile to Germany or why US was clearly committed to allied effort well before December 7th 1941. Your statement referenced US declaration of War towards germany very explicitly and in this regard you were wrong.

    FDR wanted Japan to attack, he did everything in his power to provoke Japan into a war, no disagreement there.
     
    #49     May 22, 2009
  10. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090522/pl_afp/usjusticeattacksguantanamomilitary


    Two Bush-era officials reject Cheney's security stance



    WASHINGTON (AFP) – Two top Bush-era officials on Friday rejected ex-vice president Dick Cheney's scathing criticism of US President Barack Obama, saying the country's national security was not in jeopardy.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who served in the same post under former president George W. Bush, and Tom Ridge, the former head of homeland security, both voiced disagreement with Cheney a day after he attacked Obama's performance as the new commander-in-chief.

    Gates said in an interview that opponents of Obama's decision to close the "war on terror" prison at Guantanamo were engaging in "fear-mongering," a reference to Cheney's stance on the issue.

    Defending the president's decision to shut the detention center at the US naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Gates said the prison was damaging America's image and served as a propaganda tool for Al-Qaeda.

    "The truth is, it's probably one of the finest prisons in the world today. But it has a taint," Gates told NBC television's "Today" program during a visit to New York.

    "The name itself is a condemnation. What the president was saying is, this will be an advertisement for Al-Qaeda as long as it's open," he said.

    In an interview with CNN's "State of the Union," Ridge said he could not support the former vice president's charge that Obama had undermined US national security.

    Asked if he believed the country was now less safe as a result of Obama's policies, Ridge said: "I do not."
     
    #50     May 22, 2009