Charging ahead to push electric cars

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Banjo, Dec 27, 2008.

  1. GTS

    GTS

    To simply say that batteries don't function well outside of 40-80F is demonstrably false. You didn't even mention which battery technology you are talking about - there are many currently and more to come.

    That's a function of battery capacity, there is no inherent limitation with electric cars that will prevent this from being possible once the energy storage problem is solved.

    All they have to do is offer a 100k/8 year warranty on the battery pack just like the Prius has and it will be a non-issue.

    Obviously the price will drop as volumes increase and technology improves. Do you remember how much the first VCR's and microwave ovens cost? Gov't subsidies/tax rebates can help electrics get off the ground.
     
    #11     Dec 31, 2008
  2. I've learned a lot today thanks to some excellent posts.
     
    #12     Dec 31, 2008
  3. its an issue. toyota recently admitted they lose money on their electric vehicles. if they lose money now when they were getting a premium for them how will they be profitable when many more flood the market and they have to compete on price?
     
    #13     Dec 31, 2008
  4. GTS

    GTS

    Your reply is a non-sequitor.

    Rabbitone said that consumers will be unlikely to buy a electric cars because of expensive battery packs that wear out.

    I replied that is not a problem if you put a long warranty on the battery pack so that consumers would not have to worry about that concern.

    Given that context your post makes no sense. Are you saying that Toyota is losing money because of the battery pack warranty they are offering and therefore the battery pack warranty will be eliminated in the future? That is the "IT" being discussed.

    Also if Toyota is losing money per car as you state, then why do you think that other car makers will be able to "flood the market" with still cheaper cars?
     
    #14     Dec 31, 2008
  5. long development times that are all hitting now,government mandates, and competition.
     
    #15     Dec 31, 2008
  6. the energy-capacity problem of batteries is not likely to be resolved for many generations, as batteries have been around 100 years and have not seen the exponential growth curve you see in other technologies like semiconductors. and it's not like companies don't do research on batteries. everyone would love to see batteries with improved capacity -- the potential benefits to society is immense, and not just with cars. the only breakthrough i can see is with a nuclear-powered battery. the current technology based on chemical electrolyte won't rival fossil fuels for storage capacity.

    since increasing energy capacity is not likely to happen without a radical change to the underlying technology, the other solutions to the electric-car problem would be to increase efficiency of the vehicle; and to build an infrastructure that can accomodate their weakness (eg, limited range).
     
    #16     Dec 31, 2008
  7. GTS

    GTS

    I strongly disagree.

    Serious research effort into high-performance high-capacity rechargable batteries has only recently begun because previously there was no commercial demand - existing rechargeable technologies were sufficient for the intended purposes/products.

    Lithium-Ions have only been commercially available for what 20 years and major advances have been (and continue to be) made.

    You're right, rivaling the energy density of gasoline probably is a long way off (maybe never but I wouldn't go that far), however that's not required, especially since electric motors are far more efficient than internal combution engines. All that is required is a battery that is good enough to make a practical car, it doesn't have to match gasoline cars in terms of energy density.
     
    #17     Dec 31, 2008
  8. #18     Dec 31, 2008
  9. #19     Dec 31, 2008
  10. New ultracapacitor technology will make batteries completely redundent within 5 years. It's likely they will be lighter, have no heat problems and will recharge almost instantly. Not to mention the fact that they will have a life span at least 4 times that of batteries.

    Runningbear
     
    #20     Jan 1, 2009