hii a ooiioo_a I agree, hatred should not be encouraged. Hypocrisy is shameless - in all cultures. Encouraging hatred in children is especially heinous. Islam in general and the North Koreans in particular, are bent upon teaching hatred to their kids. I'm talkin' about stab em with a knife hatred here! Now before anyone starts ranting at me about Christianity - don't even bother - I won't defend it either, but here we are - we have to decide - don't we. When one decides to "Oppose" the "Fanaticism" - by definition, one must take a side - which is fine,,,, but then,, - who's side are you gonna be on ? YA GOTTA MAKE A DECISION . If some pervert has a hold on your child's throat and is choking the life out of him - and you just happen to be half a mile away with a 50 cal with a Scope on it - do you pull the trigger ? Or do you watch your child die ? I don't know about you - but I sure as hell pull the trigger. If your choice is to "Not" pull the trigger - then that's fine, but don't expect me to go along with it. This is NOT an oversimplification - it's the BOTTOM LINE ! (joke)
I never said there was no difference between Christianity and Islam. What I did say (see quote) is that Violence done in the name of Christianity and Violence done in the name of Islam are both more similar than they are different. It also doesn't surprise me that someone who said "I can't stand Al Gore" would wish to promote attitudes of cultural bigotry in support of Bush's fanatical warmongering. You are mistaken when you claim that I can't tell the difference between Bush and Hitler. The difference is the mustache
Is the "Nuke Em all!" hatred that is being taught to American kids any less heinous? I certainly don't wish to defend the militaristic and ruthless doctrines that can be found in the Koran, which Molon's list of quotes presents. But for him to claim that examples of Christian violence are all present only in history books is beneath his own degree of perceptiveness. And to remark that Islam is a death-cult, well I have to ask: doesn't the morbid 2,000 year obsession with the crucifixion eminently qualify Christianity as a "death cult"?
I guess as long as I'm free to point out that Bush is a sick evil twisted warmonger, I should be happy too. Although I don't have any particular attachment to defending the right of people to post swear words on a public bulletin board.
Seriously, 777 would have all his posts censored... we dont' need it, he's a very humourous guy... Also, please don't censor my material on MY journal. Don't you think there could have been some crutial points in the journal that you censor? Mods? Are you that smart of a guy? Sheeshh...
"Their homeland" and "systematically terrorize" show your absolute ignorance (like most people) about the history and current realities of this postage stamp country. One of many good books to read is MYTHS AND FACTS. Not only have Jews remained (regularly slaughtered and/or oppressed) throughout the Middle East for thousands of years, but there were still ancient Jewish communities in and around Israel right up until Israel was partitioned. In the late 1800s, observers (authors like Mark Twain and politicians) noted that Israel was primarily a barren dessert, with only a few man made productive areas (created and tended by newer as well as by ancient Jewish communities). The relatively small number of so-called "Palestinians" were essentially nomads. Then, when Jews began immigrating to Israel before the actual partition (when Israel was 1/3 of its current already ultra-tiny size), "Palestinians" were encouraged to leave by other Arab states, so that those abandoning their homes could return and take over the entire area (under the rule of other Arab states) after the Arab countries destroy Israel. Palestinians left based on Arab propaganda and out of greed, and when Israel successfully defended itself, against all odds, and the "Palestinians" became refugees, no Arab country would take them in (although some managed to pour into Jordan). Thus, they became refugees, and most lived in an Egyptian ruled Gaza strip and Jordanian ruled West Bank. Meanwhile, Israel took in as many Jewish refugees (500,000) from Arab countries, where these ancient communities fled from after being slaughtered upon Israel's partition, as people it lost when Palestinians voluntarily left. In other words, 500,000 Palestinians voluntarily left, while 500,000 Arab Jews fled to Israel to avoid the slaughters that were occurring. The rule of these Arab countries (especially Egypt) was brutal, but as with almost all other cases around the world, no worldwide outrage was declared. Jordan expelled ancient Jewish communities from the West Bank (and from "E. Jerusalem," where Jews were the largest ethnic/religious group in the 1800s), while Egypt did the same in Gaza. Then, when Israel took over these areas in two more wars where it was defending itself, Israel became stuck with occupying and overseeing a multitude of refugees. Despite treating the people better than the Arab countries, and treating them as well as Israel could given the intent of many "Palestinians" bent on Israel's destruction, and despite the millions who have been slaughtered in ethnic cleansings around the world, and despite the slavery that persists to this day (such as that imposed by Arab descended Muslims in N. Sudan upon the Christians and Animists), Israel has been the subject of more demonization and Arab lobbied UN investigations than any country in the world. And despite the inherent dangers, Israel negotiated in earnest with a life long terrorist (Arafat), offering money, an airport and potential statehood to the "Palestinians." The Oslo process started gradually, with Israel ignoring a myriad of terrorist bombings, gradually withdrawing and transferring security to a newly created PA. In 1998, Israel was granting concessions at the Wye River Peace Accords that showed tremendous faith given the vulnerabilities these concessions created for Israeli security. By 2000, Israel offered 95% of the West Bank and Gaza, part of Jerusalem and other concessions. This offer was made despite the fact that much of the West Bank and Gaza (including the land the settlements are built on) was SOLD to Israelis BY Palestinians. Even today some members of Arafat's negotiating team have said that Israel was negotiating in good faith, that the offers were very fair and that they pushed Arafat to accept. Yet, instead of accepting, or instead of even continuing to negotiate, Arafat resorted to what he had long planned on using as a negotiating tool probably all along (and what he had pretended to renounce), which was terrorism (both explicitly and implicitly). The vast majority of Israelis, including the majority who wanted and believed in the negotiations with Arafat (that is, even those who believed that Arafat was somewhat sincere) became shocked and angry, and they decided to take a hardline on terrorism. Meanwhile, "Palestinians" (like most Arab countries) continue to teach in their schools (as they have all along) the most vicious demonization of Jews (from relating them to the devil to lying about their genes, traditions and humanity). While Israel goes out of its way to try to avoid civilian casualties in the toughest of circumstances (urban combat), "Palestinian" terrorists target Israeli civilians while the "Palestinian" masses cheer such murders (as they also did with Sept. 11). That is where we are today! And I have only scratched the surface. Please don't read a few stupid clippings, or listen to some lying and deceiving Arab backed propagandist and then make general and ignorant statements about this conflict. Additionally, the Christian abuses are in the past, and the Nazis used race (albeit it referring to Jews as a race), not religion, as the basis for their ideology and genocide. As a matter of fact, the Nazis had a good relationship with Arabs (who offered congratulations to Hitler when he invaded Poland), and Hitler was visited many times by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (who asked Hitler to help eliminate their "Jewish problem."). The Arab countries only joined the allies, just before the conclusion of the war (when surrender was but a formality for the axis), because this was a precondition for automatic membership in the then new organization known as the UN. Moreover, Hitler also hated the Catholic church. Meanwhile, intolerant Muslims (which, despite politically correct assertions to the contrary, is a large percentage of the islamic population) have attempted or committed genocides, forced conversions and political dominance in countries around the modern world. [/B][/QUOTE]
They censored a stimulating discussion about the difference between men and women traders. The thread was shut down, just as people chimed in with profound thoughts. ''
Believe it or not, I didn't vote for Bush. As a matter of fact, I voted for Gore. However, if that is the only difference you see, then you really are twisted. One guy pursued a genocide killing 11 million but intending to kill dozens of millions. Hitler wanted to occupy all of Europe and beyond, kill or enslave the "natives," and disperse his "master race" so that this race would rule the world (somehow, perhaps, tolerating the Arab and Japanese master races). Hitler in no way was defending his country or trying to prevent any sort of terrorism. There is certainly legitimate and rational disagreement over President Bush's policies and priorities, but making this comparison is neither rational nor legitimate (it is a stupid ad hom and inappropriate argument that reflects poorly on you!!!)!!!
Well, you certainly didn't miss the boat when it comes to understanding the Israeli/ Pal conflict. Brilliant post. I hope your post has helped a few misguided koran-huggers understand this issue a bit better.
I normally do not participate in these threads but I was also serioulsy offended by the death cult statement. Anyone who makes a this statement about Christians needs to have his head, heart or soul examined. I worship a loving caring risen god who sent himself/Son (its a mystery) to die on the Cross for all people, even some idiots. It was predicted ahead of time and it was done right where Abraham, was willing to sacrifice his son. That is no death cult but a life after death affirmation.