CBOE Variance Futures

Discussion in 'Options' started by sle, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Jgills

    Jgills

  2. sle

    sle

    I am sorry, I am a bit behind on the stuff I promised to deliver. Let me first start from the historical quotes (from OTC markets), the I'll get to some R/V plays. As the time goes, I will post some views here, but I am hoping that people will get involved on their own.
     
    #82     Dec 23, 2012
  3. No worries there, you've done enough. I'd just like to see some brief color going forward if you have the time. I've dealt with the OTC product briefly and know the math, but am more interested in your input as practitioner. This is not a supply-constrained mkt where you're essentially bumhunting, as it were, so the maths are of little interest to me (personally).
     
    #83     Dec 23, 2012
  4. kapw7

    kapw7

    In the calculation of implied and realised variance there is no accounting of jumps (if I am right about this). I suppose it's not siginificant for index but in practice is there any advantage especially for short maturities to use some sort of correction?
     
    #84     Dec 23, 2012
  5. heech

    heech

    Not sure what you mean by "jumps". If you are referring to whether prices are assumed to be continuous.. It's priced off of daily settlement numbers, so underlying prices are always jumping, looks like a step function.
     
    #85     Dec 23, 2012
  6. Although ib is not offering these...sle, et al ..look at jun 13, sept 13

    http://cfe.cboe.com/Data/CFEMktStat.aspx

    Any mispricing there?

    PS: on first blush I see edge if vol bias plays out ..but how long is expectancy in this product?
     
    #86     Dec 23, 2012
  7. sle

    sle

    The realized variance includes all daily moves, it's simply a sum of squared log-returns. I assume you are referring to the theoretical price of the variance swaps - the actual swaps usually trade with "var basis" over the theoretical price.
     
    #87     Dec 23, 2012
  8. sle

    sle

    Not sure what you mean, could you give a numerical example?
     
    #88     Dec 23, 2012
  9. Jun 13 is quoted 827.44 sept 13 is 828.94 ..in 2 months time they will quote differently in relation to each other...if implied vols are higher in 2 months would u model a wider difference or inversion ( jun higher than sept)?
     
    #89     Dec 23, 2012
  10. heech

    heech

    My understanding is that they are not related to each other in that way. Remember these are futures prices, and not the implied volatility number. Thus, 1000 in Jun 13 has nothing to do with 1000 in Sept 13. The June 13 1000 was determined by whatever implied was in June 2012 when it was listed, and similarly for Sep 13.

    However, their *moves* should be very closely correlated... and I have to admit I don't understand why the Jun 13 moved up 6 pts yesterday, while the Sep 13 moved up 21. Why would that have happened?
     
    #90     Dec 23, 2012