CBOE Variance Futures

Discussion in 'Options' started by sle, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Don't the quotes have a 1000x multiplier? I see the front month is 25k up (although further dated liquidity looks thin today).

    I think the VIX futures actually throw a curveball into the mix, as end users who don't look at VIX relative value might be confused why the strips are implying a different value from where the var is actually trading when VIX is rich/cheap.
     
    #181     Jul 23, 2013
  2. sle

    sle

    Well, an average "end user" should not care about 1/4 vol deviation from VIX-implied fair, especially considering that variance basis (or, in case of these things, b/o) is larger anyway. Most funds care about 2-3 vol edge vs realised var or term structure.

    It's in thousands of vega notional. Five by five (even 25 by 25) is pretty pathetic given that social size for variance is a 100k in the IDB. I think overall picture (attached) is pretty telling, especially the open interest.
     
    #182     Jul 23, 2013
  3. Fair point.

    What units are the open interest in? The weird CBOE future quantity? It can't be notional vega since I remember seeing 200k August trade last Thursday.
     
    #183     Jul 23, 2013
  4. sle

    sle

    It's their own flavor of variance units. Someone at DRW must have read this thread cause today the market is 25x25 up all the way to Dec14 :D
     
    #184     Jul 24, 2013
  5. sle

    sle

    An interesting question is - if someone would issue an ETF that rolls variance futures (lets say keeps shorting quaterly expirations), would it be a sucess with retail?
     
    #185     Jul 25, 2013
  6. Retail customers seem to love negative roll yield, so I don't see why not.

    I think you'd have to get a lot more liquidity in the variance futures first, though. I'm guessing it would be easier to create an ETN based on an index derived from the listed var settles (similar to VXX and SPVIXSTR) as opposed to an ETF that holds the actual swaps in inventory, but having only the LMM quoting it .50 wide leaves plenty of room for manipulation.
     
    #186     Jul 25, 2013
  7. Seems you really hurt their feelings -- 100 up today :eek:
     
    #187     Jul 26, 2013
  8. sle

    sle

    still zero volume... they should paint the tape a little to attract traders :p
     
    #188     Jul 26, 2013
  9. Still no volume on this instrument, what a shame.

    So while we wait for this product to take off, I have a question about margins here. Using the latest (Aug 12) margin requirements from the CFE, we can see that the margin for Sept VA futures is 143 (per variance unit I assume).

    Also, using the calculator with the latest price for Sep (13.95) and 1K of notional vega I get:

    Futures Price: 586.68
    Variance units: 309

    So the margin to go long here (1K notional vega) for Sept is: $44187.

    That seems a bit too high for 1K of vega and it also seems that the margin is higher than the risk taken, after all we bought at 13.95 so I assume (and here is my question) that the max loss of this position is only $13950 (being long 1K notional vega). I'm sure that something is wrong here (most likely me), but how come the margin seems to be higher than the max loss?
     
    #189     Aug 12, 2013
  10. You're correct in saying that margins can exceed max loss for long positions. The problem arises from margining these like a traditional future, where long and short positions are treated identically, instead of margining them like the replicating options portfolio they represent, where max loss is defined on a long position and potentially unlimited on shorts.
     
    #190     Aug 12, 2013