CBOE Variance Futures

Discussion in 'Options' started by sle, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. gkishot

    gkishot

    What is your bet? Volatility goes up?
     
    #131     Jan 7, 2013
  2. heech

    heech

    Well, this is actually a hedge for short volatility elsewhere.

    But yes, theoretically speaking, going long variance futures means you're long volatility. That doesn't necessarily mean implied volatility going up (like it does with the VIX)... it could just mean you believe realized volatility from now until expiration will be higher than the 14.75 I just bought at.
     
    #132     Jan 7, 2013
  3. heech

    heech

    Just bought 8 more at 14.60... which is equivalent to 756 contracts at 844.4456.
     
    #133     Jan 7, 2013
  4. gkishot

    gkishot

    How much of your short volatility position do you hedge percentage wise? Would your strategy be profitable if you are hedged 100% of your short volatility?
     
    #134     Jan 7, 2013
  5. heech

    heech

    These are all very good questions. I would like to think so, but I don't have enough historical data to answer that with any accuracy. So, ask me again in 3 years.
     
    #135     Jan 7, 2013
  6. Jgills

    Jgills

    are u hedging any delta?
     
    #136     Jan 7, 2013
  7. sle

    sle

    Sorry, was tied up and could not follow this thread.

    Not going through your calculation, you can think as follows - the influence of the daily move is simply 1 day variance (log return squared) is equal to the 10,000 * units * (realized^2 - strike^2) / days.
    Lets say you bot 20k vega worth of conracts at 19.5, so the number of units is 512.8205 (or about that, vega/(2*strike)). If you realize 0.195^2/252=0.0001508929 the influence of that day on your final P&L is zero. If the change for the day is twice the expected variance, your that one day will reflect in your P&L as 10000*512.8205*((2*0.01508)^2 - 0.01508^2) = 3498.56.

    Edit: The units here assume non-seasoned contract, so in case of futures you would have to multiply by ratio of total days to days left

    You could do that, but of course, don't forget that vix futures will be an imperfect hedge because of the convexity and the calendar effect.
     
    #137     Jan 7, 2013
  8. sle

    sle

    They made the thousand multiplier implicit.
     
    #138     Jan 7, 2013
  9. sle

    sle

    Not really fungible but convergent - at expiration they will produce the same P&L for the same strike.
     
    #139     Jan 7, 2013
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Will your prime broker quote you variance and then cross on the exchange. I don't know if you can even cross but I bet that's the only way you can trade it.
     
    #140     Jan 7, 2013