Cattle Futures -- Locked LimitDown

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by limitdown, Dec 24, 2003.

  1. Can you guys educate this equity only trader? When a limit move occurs how does the issue trade? At that opening price? Or does it just open at that level and cease trading until the next session?
     
    #11     Dec 24, 2003
  2. lescor

    lescor

    Funny how they weren't playing up that angle when the US disallowed imports of Canadian beef after one cow was found here with bse. They were more smug and gleeful about the situation as I recall.

    What goes around, comes around.

     
    #12     Dec 24, 2003
  3. Where do you guys get this info from ? I searched the CME site , I couldn't find any info.

    Thanks,

    Chinook

    Edit. OK I found the price limits in CME site. I was wondering why cattle futures didn't react too much! Limitdown is $600/contract. 600/1620= 37% loss per contract assuming maximum margin. Ouch! And more coming possibly!

    I wonder how much change we'll see in the supermarket beef prices. The prices have been going up steadily! My favorite "average"-grade ribeye has climbed from $7.99 to $11.99 / lb this year!

     
    #13     Dec 24, 2003
  4. Yeah, irony is a bitch! :D

    The guy did seem to be pretty wired -- imagine owning all those head of cattle and selling your production in the futures, only to find that you can't sell the cattle(you've sold forward)!!

    Not a likely scenario, admittedly.

    arb.
     
    #14     Dec 24, 2003
  5. And a major brain-fart on my part, duh, he'd simply buy back his futs at a massive gain.

    I better get checked for CJD!

    :eek:

    arb.
     
    #15     Dec 24, 2003
  6. it doesnt trade.it opens limit down every day until they find buyers.it is not a good position to be on the wrong side of.
     
    #16     Dec 24, 2003
  7. Vhen,

    Do you mean in this case, it opens -150 points from the previous day's close until the buyers step in? So today, it closed limitdown at 89.175 and Friday it'll open at 87.675 if there are no higher bids?



    Chinook
     
    #17     Dec 24, 2003
  8. yes.
     
    #18     Dec 24, 2003
  9. Let's say cattle traders/firms/hedgers project that this'll drive the beef prices 30% down in US and push the cattle futures down to 60 from 90s-- $0.30 loss/pound. This means about $12,000 loss per contract !!!! Somebody long 20 contracts with total initial margin about ($1620 old margin) $32400 would end up owing more than $200,000!!! Ouch !!!

    Chinook
     
    #19     Dec 24, 2003
  10. Thanks.
     
    #20     Dec 24, 2003