CATO: GOP as Bad as Dems on Spending

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Free Thinker, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. so if republicans are the same as dems on spending why support republicans? republicans spend on wars and perks for the wealthy. at least the dems want to spend on things like education and healthcare.

    CATO: GOP as Bad as Dems on Spending

    CATO Institute economist rails on GOP spending (bigger under Ryan than when Bill Clinton left office) and implies that Nixon and Bush2 were two of the worse presidents of all time. Quite fascinating:

    The Republican Party is no longer the party of the past. Not even Ronald Reagan would recognize it. The Cato economist makes some interesting comments about the size of government. But remember, that for the Cato Institute the federal government should do little more than run the military.
    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/0...ampaign=Feed:+TheBigPicture+(The+Big+Picture)
     
  2. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    On the flip side of that coin, why support dems?
     
  3. Yannis

    Yannis

    Obama's And Paul Ryan's Conflicting Budget Visions
    by Michael D. Tanner , CATO Institute, Fiscal Times 4/6/12



    With his speech to news editors and executives this week, President Obama has made it clear that he plans to run a starkly ideological campaign, contrasting his vision for the future of the country with that of his Republican opponents. And, he plans to make the Republican budget, written by rising GOP star Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and embraced by presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney, exhibit one in that contrast. It would be worthwhile therefore to actually compare that budget with the one proposed by the president.

    Deficits and Debt
    The president's budget proposal would reduce future deficits — at least until 2018 — but would never achieve balance. By 2018, the president projects deficits to fall to only $575 billion. After that, they begin rising again, reaching $704 billion by 2022. Overall, the president's budget would add an additional $6.7 trillion to the national debt over the next 10 years.

    Paul Ryan does better when it comes to deficit reduction, but only because the president has set such a low bar. Unlike the president, Ryan would eventually balance the budget — but not until 2040 or so. He does, however, generally run much lower annual deficits than the president would, and adds $3.3 trillion less to the national debt over the next 10 years.

    Government Spending
    Neither President Obama nor Paul Ryan actually cuts government spending. Rather, both are playing the time-honored game of calling a reduction in the rate of increase a “cut.” Thus, the president would increase federal spending from $3.8 trillion in 2013 to $5.82 trillion in 2022. That might not be as big an increase there might otherwise be, but in no way can it be called a cut. Meanwhile, Ryan, who is being accused of “thinly veiled Social Darwinism,” would actually increase spending from $3.53 trillion in 2013 to $4.88 trillion in 2022.

    The president warns that Ryan’s spending “cuts” would “gut” the social safety net. And, it is true that Ryan’s budget knife falls more heavily on domestic discretionary spending than does the president’s — but only relatively. Over the next 10 years, Ryan would spend $352 billion less on those programs than would Obama, an average of just $35.2 billion per year in additional cuts. Given that domestic discretionary spending under the president’s budget will total more than $4 trillion over the next decade, Ryan’s cuts look less than draconian.

    One area where the president appears to have the better argument is on defense spending. Ryan would undo the defense spending sequester agreed to under last year’s debt-ceiling compromise, and would spend $203 billion more over 10 years than was agreed to. Obama would cut defense by an additional $240 billion. Given our budget problems and the lack of a conventional military threat, Ryan’s plan to spare defense seems shortsighted.

    Taxes
    The president would increase tax revenue to 20.1 percent of GDP. That's a huge increase from the current 15.4 percent, and higher than the post-World War II average of 18 percent. His budget includes tax hikes on people and small businesses making as little as $200,000 per year, as well as the usual panoply of tax hikes on energy products, businesses, investment and pretty much anything else the president can think of.

    The president also continues to push for the so-called Buffet Rule, a new 30 percent minimum tax on the rich, based on the misleading claim that Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary. The Buffett Rule would raise very little revenue — less than $3.2 billion per year on average according to the Congressional Budget Office — but the president is pushing it as a matter of fairness.

    Ryan would also allow taxes to increase as a percentage of GDP, returning to roughly their historical average around 18 percent of GDP. However, he is also calling for a major reform of the U.S. tax code. Ryan would replace the current four tax rates with two: 15 and 25 percent. He would also lower the current 38 percent corporate tax rate, the world's highest, to 25 percent. At the same time, he would broaden the taxable base by eliminating many current deductions and loopholes. Unfortunately, Ryan has ducked the unpopular task of actually spelling out which loopholes would be eliminated.

    Entitlement Reform
    Perhaps the biggest disagreement between the president and Ryan is over how to reform the entitlement programs that are driving this country toward bankruptcy. Ryan would restructure Medicare for those under age 55 to give recipients a choice between the traditional program and a voucher that would allow them to purchase private insurance. That plan, drafted together with Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, would have little impact in the short-term — in 2022, it would spend just $21 billion less than the president's budget — but over the longer term would reduce Medicare's unfunded liability, which the Medicare trustees put at $24.6 trillion, by trillions of dollars.

    The president makes no significant changes to Medicare, relying instead on expansion of changes contained in the new health care law to save a projected $364 billion over the next 10 years.

    Ryan would also turn the current Medicaid program to the states in the form of a federal block grant, while reducing spending by $810 billion over 10 years. States would have far more freedom to experiment with ways to reform the system, but would likely receive less federal funds over the long term. Obama, by contrast, leaves the program unchanged, while significantly expanding eligibility under the health care law.

    Unsurprisingly in an election year, both Ryan and the president punt on Social Security reform. Neither offers any reform of the troubled retirement system, despite its $21 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

    Two Visions
    The United States is teetering on the edge of Greek-style bankruptcy. Our total indebtedness, including the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare, could run as high as $130 trillion, more than 900 percent of GDP. In the face of this looming crisis, Obama and Ryan have presented two distinct visions of the future. The president offers a bigger government, paid for with more debt and higher taxes. Ryan's vision may be maddeningly timid and vague in places, but it takes important steps toward a smaller, less costly, and less intrusive government.

    If that's the debate that President Obama wants to have, let's do it.
     
  4. The Gullible CenterBy PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: April 8, 2012
    So, can we talk about the Paul Ryan phenomenon?

    And yes, I mean the phenomenon, not the man. Mr. Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee and the principal author of the last two Congressional Republican budget proposals, isn’t especially interesting. He’s a garden-variety modern G.O.P. extremist, an Ayn Rand devotee who believes that the answer to all problems is to cut taxes on the rich and slash benefits for the poor and middle class.
    Yet what he said about the Ryan proposal was completely accurate.

    Actually, there are many problems with that proposal. But you can get the gist if you understand two numbers: $4.6 trillion and 14 million.

    Of these, $4.6 trillion is the revenue cost over the next decade of the tax cuts embodied in the plan, as estimated by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. These cuts — which are, by the way, cuts over and above those involved in making the Bush tax cuts permanent — would disproportionately benefit the wealthy, with the average member of the top 1 percent receiving a tax break of $238,000 a year.

    Mr. Ryan insists that despite these tax cuts his proposal is “revenue neutral,” that he would make up for the lost revenue by closing loopholes. But he has refused to specify a single loophole he would close. And if we assess the proposal without his secret (and probably nonexistent) plan to raise revenue, it turns out to involve running bigger deficits than we would run under the Obama administration’s proposals.

    Meanwhile, 14 million is a minimum estimate of the number of Americans who would lose health insurance under Mr. Ryan’s proposed cuts in Medicaid; estimates by the Urban Institute actually put the number at between 14 million and 27 million.

    So the proposal is exactly as President Obama described it: a proposal to deny health care (and many other essentials) to millions of Americans, while lavishing tax cuts on corporations and the wealthy — all while failing to reduce the budget deficit,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/09/o...lible-center.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
     
  5. Brass

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  6. Brass

    Brass

    That's really saying something seeing as how CATO is about as Right Wing as you can get.
     
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    And this is supposed to be a good thing, a plus for the dems?

    Most of what is already being spent at the federal level on education has achieved NOTHING but lowering test scores and increasing drop out rates.
    Even more wasted money will not improve that. Getting the feds OUT of education though certainly would.

    More or less the same can be said for healthcare.
     
  8. So what should government do with the money they collect with all kinds of taxes from the people luke ?
     
  9. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Use it as spelled out in the Constitution moron.
     
  10. Brass

    Brass

    Interesting that you would think spending money on education and health care is wrong because more money worsens the problem (even if it is done more wisely), but at the same time you think that the solution to gun violence is more guns.
     
    #10     Apr 9, 2012