Cathy Woods - ARK Investment

Discussion in 'Trading' started by brass_trader, Oct 9, 2021.

  1. Nobert

    Nobert

    Simple formula,

    participate in IPO (before retail gets in), >
    preach about the thing being new APPL/TSLA (mixed with temporary fame & charisma) , unload position when the thing gets overpriced, 50+ times.

    Despite of rev growth, the price few months ago was still spectacular. Probably, had it's full lifetime growth and market share expectancy calculated in by then.

    And now retail will look at it and think :

    ,,Well, it was so high recently, it might get there again once more''

    Yes, in ~5 years, maybe. Until a new superstar starts preaching about it once again.

    P.s
    Good gracious (smiles) Just checked their niche. Games & gamers. That makes things - unpredictable.
     
    #11     Oct 10, 2021
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  2. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    The job of these funds is not to time the cycle it's to provide exposure to specialty areas in an easy to trade form and you can time it anyway you like. Never meant to be a large part of anyone's strategy they were always high risk high reward. It's no different then a mining or energy fund they can be the top performers or absolute dogs. I can pick out time periods this year when TSX Energy firms were the worst stocks on the market but for the last year they are the best performing sector even better then any subindex in the US.
     
    #12     Oct 10, 2021
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  3. traider

    traider

    But she is trying to time the markets by going in and out like a ninja
     
    #13     Oct 10, 2021
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  4. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Is she though ? Or is she merely targeting a percentage holding in each stock and as the price drops she buys it back up ( or vice versa ) ? Last I looked the main holdings looked similar on a surface check.
     
    #14     Oct 10, 2021
  5. traider

    traider

    Her turnover of stock holdings is more like an actively managed fund.
     
    #15     Oct 10, 2021
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  6. Lol Didn't say they wouldn't but would much rather have experts than not. That being said, LTCM had the Black-Scholes guys, who got a Nobel Prize for it, and the rest were all Ph.Ds, from MIT and Harvard. Smartest guys on the planet and we know how that turned out...bailout in the late 90's. My only point is it'll be cyclical as what made monster returns will likely be laggards going forward. I know a hedge fund guy, Brian Taylor, on LinkedIn, from MN, had top 5 returns on his 2 funds in 2008-09 and by 2016 shut down Pine River as it lost money. Cathy Wood will be fine...Ackman blew up his hedge fund, Gotham Partners, in the early 2000's and that hasn't stopped him.
     
    #16     Oct 10, 2021
  7. traider

    traider

    LTCM wasn't a failure, its employees made out like bandits. They just overleveraged it because it was OPM. It's a matter of incentives just like 2008 when many knew that the stuff they held was shit but still traded it because heads I win tails you lose.
     
    #17     Oct 10, 2021
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Near Failure of Long-Term Capital Management

    https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/ltcm-near-failure

    "LTCM’s partners and other investors suffered substantial losses when their claim was reduced to 10 percent, on top of the market-driven declines before the recapitalization."
     
    #18     Oct 10, 2021
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  9. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    Hmm can I short it?
     
    #19     Oct 10, 2021
  10. Overnight

    Overnight

    Frak! Will you stop trying to short everything you see? That is a pessimistic view!
     
    #20     Oct 10, 2021