Catch the Firefox if you can.

Discussion in 'Trading Software' started by NoMoreOptions, Nov 9, 2004.

  1. Seems I'm not the only one who saw lots of heat and strong opinions ... but few facts.

    1) More FireFox Pros And Cons

    In the current article on Firefox (
    http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160900911
    ) my opening argument was "FireFox is a good browser, but not at all the
    panacea its most ardent fans think it is." My closing argument was "It's
    great that there are open-source alternatives to try, and it's smart to
    proactively explore all your options. But go in with your eyes open: All
    software has flaws. There are no panaceas!"

    To me, it's hard to imagine less inflammatory statements. I mean: "All
    software has flaws." How can anyone disagree with that?
    But the froth-on-the-lips crowd is out in force, claiming I'm shilling for
    Microsoft, or have my head far up a nether orifice. If members of the
    rabid pro-Firefox crowd admit to any flaws in that software at all, they
    say that the numbers of flaws are tiny, and the security holes
    insignificant.

    This view, however appealing, is totally false. There is no objective
    evidence--- zero, zip, nada, nil--- to support that view. Instead, there
    is a large and growing body of evidence that indeed and of course, there
    are problems in Mozilla/Firefox, and some of them are quite severe,
    opening the door to data theft, backdoor infections of your PC, and so on-
    -- exactly the same kinds of problems that Internet Explorer is reviled
    for!

    In fact, in addition to the information originally cited in
    http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160900911
    , some new info came out this past weekend, after my article was already
    written: The folks at Mozilla posted advisories on 9 newly-discovered
    flaws in Mozilla and its offspring (including FireFox):

    "Mozilla flaws could allow attacks, data access...Multiple
    vulnerabilities that could allow an attacker to install
    malicious code or steal personal data have been discovered in
    the Mozilla Suite and the Firefox open-source browser." (Full
    story: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5674883.html?tag=nl.e589 )

    Again, these are *exactly* the same types of problems that IE is rightly
    criticized for.

    Does all this mean that Firefox is a bad browser? Not at all. It means
    it's a normal browser, and will require vigilance to use safely.
    Does this mean that Internet Explorer is wonderful? Not at all. It's a
    normal browser, and requires vigilance to use safely.

    If you keep either browser patched, and use the other security tools we
    discuss here issue after issue, you'll be fine using either IE or Firefox.
    In point of fact, most of the actual real-life exploits in IE have
    affected out-of-date, unpatched, and/or unprotected systems. If you keep
    your software up to date and protected, you'll be fine.

    Bottom line: Firefox is a fine tool. If you like it, by all means use it.
    But don't think that using it will automatically make you safe from
    serious browser security issues--- in fact, cold, hard facts prove exactly
    the opposite. So, once again: "It's great that there are open-source
    alternatives to try, and it's smart to proactively explore all your
    options. But go in with your eyes open: All software has flaws. There are
    no panaceas!"
     
    #31     Apr 21, 2005
  2. All I know is that since I switched to Firefox a few months back, my Spyware issues have virtually vanished. And, the tabbed browsing is great.
     
    #32     Apr 21, 2005
  3. True. Microsoft is squarely focused on making money, when customers started demanding better security Microsoft started throwing more effort at it but not something that can be changed overnight especially when the product was not designed from the bottom up with security in mind.

    And how is that Microsoft's fault?

    And how is that Microsoft's fault (unless you are saying that these are Microsoft's applications which I doubt)?


    Historically PC's were single user machines, even networking features were an add-on while Unix machines were designed to be multiuser. PC's are used by the most naive users while Unix boxes tend to be admin'd by people who know what the hell they were doing. By your own admission a lot of the problems with Window's security is the fault of the users, not the product.

    What you are doing is complaining that the average GM car doesnt have its tire pressure set right while a race car would never be driven without the tire pressure set correctly and then blaming GM for this. Two different user populations - not a fair comparison.
     
    #33     Apr 21, 2005
  4. zdreg

    zdreg

    never have been able to read a pdf document on mozilla. a blank page and the computer is frozen. no problem with netscape, windows explorer or oprea
     
    #34     May 30, 2005
  5. try firefox. and reinstall adobe reader

    you must be having some plugin installation issues.

     
    #35     May 30, 2005
  6. svrart

    svrart

    zdreg,

    I had the same problem. It was solved by installing the latest firefox version.
     
    #36     May 30, 2005
  7. zdreg,
    Installing the plug-in worked and now I can finally read those pdf files that came up blank for weeks!
     
    #37     Jun 2, 2005
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

    thx where do i find this plug in
     
    #38     Jun 2, 2005
  9. #39     Jun 2, 2005