Cash/Margin Requirement for Vertical Put Spread

Discussion in 'Options' started by earth_imperator, Aug 10, 2022.

  1. mervyn and ondafring, so then how much ~ is the maintenance margin requirement? $900, $880, $225 ?

     
    #21     Aug 11, 2022
  2. mervyn

    mervyn

    Margin Impact 352.93.

    if you can't fund, then probably spread is not your trade.
     
    #22     Aug 11, 2022
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  3. Here's an example trade using some approximate data from the initial posting, ie.
    Spot=10.41 DTE=163
    ShortPut: K=9 Pr=4.30 (IV=208)
    LongPut: K=4 Pr=0.50 (IV=145)

    MaxProfit=3.8
    MaxLoss=1.2

    B/E: 5.20 (-50.05% off Spot)

    Here's the PL diagram: https://optioncreator.com/stvsden

    Can someone calculate the net profitability of this trade using realistic margin requirement as basis, for the case when spot at expiration is the same?
     
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    #23     Aug 11, 2022
  4. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    So most brokers require minimum of $2k to open a margin account.

    FINRA requires minimum margin equal to 25% of the market value.

    Brokers must honor FINRA, but can increase margin requirements to their liking.

    For the example trade in this thread, FINRA requires $225, your broker requires $352.93, Trade Station requires $500.

    Is that correct?

    And since the margin account has minimum $2k, this trade goes through.

    Is that correct?
     
    #24     Aug 11, 2022
  5. mervyn

    mervyn

    2k+required margin
     
    #25     Aug 11, 2022
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  6. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    Okay. I think I got it. Thank you!
     
    #26     Aug 11, 2022
  7. Can you calculate the profitability of this trade using margin requirement also in percent?
    Is this calculation correct: 352.93 / (2000 + 352.93) * 100 = 15% ?

    But in a CashAcct one gets this result for the same trade:
    CashRequirement = 9 - 4.3 + 0.5 = $5.20
    When Spot at expiry is the same as the initial Spot, then :
    PL = 3.80
    PL% = 3.80 / 5.20 * 100 = 73.08%

    What do you say now? CashAcct is almost 5 times better than MarginAcct ! :D
    Isn't it? After all it's pure maths. No cheating here, everybody can verify it and convince him/herself of this fact. :)

    I always suspected that MarginAcct is just a BIG FRAUD, a marketing gag! Here's the naked proof, Ladies and Gentlemen! Enjoy The Truth! :D
     
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    #27     Aug 12, 2022
  8. Minor correction: The following line...
    ...must of course be:

    And the ratio "almost 5 times" comes of course from this comparison:
    (2000 + 352.93) / 520 = 4.52

    Or this way:
    73.08 / 16.15 = 4.52
     
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    #28     Aug 12, 2022