Cash & Carry

Discussion in 'Journals' started by ElectricSavant, Jul 8, 2005.

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  1. KevinK

    KevinK Guest

    hey mike,
    how much is the interest taxed at?

    thanks
     
    #121     Jul 14, 2005
  2. I have paid myself $840.24 and still have $5,144.19. I started with $5,215.63. If I stopped just now and took the unrealized of minus $250.45, I would still have made $518.35 in 66 days. but I would never exit with this much unrealized...

    This is only 5k too...

    Please, if I have made a mistake in the spreadsheet tell me where. This is real money in this post and the truth.

    I am asking for an apology, because I am a real person now, not an anonymous poster. I have asked you nicely for an apology and I am waiting. Please Sir. You are calling me a liar in front of the readers and to me personally. You remain anonymous and I believe you can do the right thing, anyways.

    Michael B.



     
    #122     Jul 14, 2005
  3. I just plugged it into turbo tax Kevin...It is the same as income isn't it? The profits part I printed out from the marketmakers site, which they nicely provide a summary. Hey maybe I could screenshot that for that naysayer......

    I still feel out of balance, I must go outside for an hour and take a walk.


    Cya...

    Michael B.


     
    #123     Jul 14, 2005
  4. Plook

    Plook

    WTF? I'm not calling you a liar. I'm looking at your spreadsheet and based on the numbers in there, you have made pretty much nothing in 66 days. It doesn't matter how much you pay yourself, your capital is what you put in (-) minus what you take out. In the GAAP Balance sheet, that's called 'Owner's Draw'. So, you started with x, took out y, the result is about 5K (exact numbers posted above). After your trading, you're still about 5K (don't worry about your withdrawals, they're accounted for in your owner's capital/draw account). 66 days is about 1/5th a year, so if you keep on going as you've done, you may be able to claim 100 bucks on a 5K account. A bank CD can do that!

    I apologize if this makes you feel uncomfortable, but don't you want to know the bottom line?
     
    #124     Jul 14, 2005
  5. When my draws exceed my investment, then I will let compounding take over. Every system I have ever traded, I always get back to BE and trade with house money ASAP.

    Thats how I prove that trading is "Not Gambling"...

    If I told you I have another system that has 10k in it ....all with house money would you believe me?...And if I told you the original grubstake is going toward another system to build, would you believe me?

    I can't help it if I do not understand the industry reporting standards. I am a plain speaking trader and I think we are now discussing semantics...

    I feel you called me a liar without explaining fully what you meant.

    Plook you have me very upset and I mean well. I have had a long day and I have a lot on my plate. Please let me take a break now.

    Michael B.



     
    #125     Jul 14, 2005
  6. Plook

    Plook

    Semantics aside, you made $20.57 on $4,850.29 in 66 days. There's no ambiguity there, is there?

     
    #126     Jul 14, 2005
  7. I have real money in my hand and not just $20.57. ($840.24) I am not glued to the charts daily either. So the labor cost is minimal...


     
    #127     Jul 14, 2005
  8. Plook

    Plook

    Okay, Electric, sorry for the misunderstanding. After further review (due in part to a problematic 'Adjustment' column), I find you are indeed profitable! :) Current APR is 98.15% or 18.1% over 66 days. Congrats! Keep up the good work!
     
    #128     Jul 14, 2005
  9. Wait, Don't give up so easy,

    What is GAAP? Perhaps I am making a huge mistake and breaking the law by twisting standard reporting protocols. Should I report the APR after I pay myself? This is a legitimate question and I am not playing games.

    Plook, perhaps you are my best friend and I should not distance myself from you. Gawd, I hope you are reading this.

    Apology accepted. (but maybe I shold be apologizing)
    Michael B.


     
    #129     Jul 14, 2005
  10. I don't mean to get off on a tangent but that just doesn't make sense. That's like saying if you play slots, hit a big jackpot and then continue playing with your winnings only, that you are aren't gambling. Of course you are, the fact that earlier gambling paid off doesn't change the act going forward. You can say that you aren't risking your own money from that point on (house money) but you cannot say its not gambling.

    In my opinion its gambling if you are unsure of the outcome & money is at risk (even if the money wasnt previously yours). Since you have acknowledged that its possible that the account can be blown out then its gambling.
     
    #130     Jul 14, 2005
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