Caribbean Treasury Purchases

Discussion in 'Economics' started by bonddad, May 21, 2005.

  1. bonddad


    Starting in December, the Treasury's TIC statements have listed an increasing number of Caribbean purchases of Treasury securities. The common thinking on this is these are hedge funds. Does anybody have more information on this?
  2. Yeah, its offshore hedge funds. Read that somewhere.
  3. Please give us the link to the Treasury statements.

    Poking around that site and especially the reporting requirements and items dealing with financial crimes and terrorism, I got the feeling we know who holds our debt. I also got the feeling these stories suggesting some kind of recent Carib.accumulation are a bunch of bs judging by that chart.

  5. Stop BLAMING hedge funds.

    Convenient excuse.

    Hedge Funds: Wall Street's New Bogeyman
    Saturday May 21, 9:59 am ET
    By Michael J. Martinez, AP Business Writer
    Hedge Funds, Failing to Produce Solid Returns This Year, Blamed for Array of Wall Street Ills

    NEW YORK (AP) -- It's become very popular to blame once high-flying hedge funds for an array of Wall Street's ills, from rising oil prices to the market's April slump. And why not? They're unregulated, have grown enormously in dollar terms and yet, on the whole, they're failing to produce solid returns so far this year.

    A hedge fund is a kind of mutual fund that requires a large initial investment, and has been traditionally aimed at the wealthy. Hedge funds don't invest in a stock or bond and hold it the way most funds do -- instead they buy and sell quickly, and can make money by betting that a given stock will go down as often as they bet it will rise. Their rapid trades on even the slightest movement in a stock hearken back the day traders of the 1990s, but with hundreds of millions of dollars at a time.

    And like those day traders in the dot-com era, hedge funds have become Wall Street's favorite bogeyman when markets fail to perform.

    For example, when oil prices topped $57 per barrel last month and were fluctuating by more than $1 a barrel on any given day, hedge funds were blamed for betting so much money on a rising price for oil that it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Or in the confusing merger battle between Verizon Communications Inc. and Qwest Communications International Inc. over MCI Inc., hedge funds were blamed for keeping prices volatile as they tried to make money on the spreads between the bidders' and MCI's stock prices -- and arguably ended up overvaluing MCI and undervaluing the bidders.

    Yet despite the fact that the global hedge fund industry now has more than $1 trillion under management, up from $480 billion in 1999, it's difficult to make a case that hedge funds can be blamed for 2005's sluggish market. Indeed, most measures of market volatility remain very low. And although that $1 trillion represents money that can be brought to bear very quickly in the market, it's just one-seventh of the money under management in the nation's mutual funds. Moreover, only a fraction of hedge fund money gets put to use in any given trading day.

    At worst, hedge funds tend to accentuate or blunt a trend already in place. However, the industry's problems are having more subtle effects on the markets that have already had an impact on the everyday investor.

    The problem is that while the number of investing strategies are relatively finite -- and the amount of stocks, bonds and commodities available to execute those strategies are likewise numbered -- the amount of money flooding into hedge funds has seen stunning growth, prompted by strong post-dot-com returns when the market was slumping.

    Many hedge fund strategies rely on counter-intuitive thinking -- do something that other people aren't. But when everybody's thinking the same thing, the strategy is no longer counter to the prevailing trend -- it IS the trend. And that makes it harder to make money.

    "There are a limited number of individual events where any given strategy can be implemented," said Chris Johnson, manager of quantitative analysis at Schaeffer's Investment Research in Cincinnati. "The number of players has gone up, but the number of positions on the field hasn't."

    For example, a given company's stock would likely rise after a strong earnings report. But if enough hedge funds had bet lower, then the stock wouldn't rise as much as it would have otherwise, or may even fall. That can be frustrating for traditional retail investors hoping to see a stock rise in value commensurate with its performance,

    "Eventually, the stock will get in line with its overall value, but on a day to day basis, investors will just have to get used to this feeling of getting whipped around and taken for a ride," Johnson said.

    And sometimes the hedge funds' strategies don't work. Earlier this months, a number of hedge funds lost money on General Motors Corp. They had bet that the stock would continue to fall, while the company's bonds would hold steady. But when billionaire investor Kirk Kerkorian bought up GM stock, the stock price rose. The next day, the company's bonds were downgraded to "junk" status, and bond prices fell.

    With the traditional strategies no longer working and returns falling into negative territory for much of 2005, many hedge funds are abandoning their more risky strategies, opting to stick with stocks, both domestically and in emerging markets abroad.

    "There's enough diversification across sub-strategies in a global marketplace. Sure, one type of investor is likely to do well, others less likely to do well, but overall, the universe of hedge funds will do better," said Laurence Smith, chairman and chief investment officer of Third Wave Global Investors, a hedge fund with $25 million under management. "And those funds which can't adapt to new strategies will go out of business. And that could prove to be positive for the industry."

    This kind of transition will take time, however. And for the near future, hedge funds will likely continue to pressure stocks and bonds in a variety of directions, leading to unpredictable short-term performance.

    "It just reaffirms the need to have a long-term perspective on your investments, and look at the fundamentals -- earnings, economic growth, inflation," said Liz Ann Sonders, chief investment strategist at Charles Schwab. "You don't have to worry about what happens between 3 and 4 p.m."
  6. xpsyuvz


  7. Please..... for your own safety......

    Pay NO attention to the man behind the curtain.... again I repeat--

    Pay NO attention to the man behind the curtain..

    Thank you for your cooperation.

  8. go bonds...

    I love no news pops...!
  9. bonddad


    I read the article and thought it was interesting. There was another person on this board who was skeptical of the article because it was written by a golb bug. Several other people have raised good questions about that article.

    However, here is my conspiracy theory. Asian banks are backing away from the US Treasury market. Now, a region known for banking secrecy starts to buy? There is part of me that thinks this is a bit convenient.

    I have been trying to figure out why the hedge funds are buying, and can't see a good reason. Anyone have any ideas?
    #10     May 23, 2005