It is sad that it happened, but it is not baseless. I'm not saying hospitals are "running a scam". I'm saying the financial incentive existed to misclassify ailments to COVID. Especially that the CDC makes it so "probable" deaths can be counted. You're in no position to accuse people of having "baseless" claims when you cannot prove otherwise, and you are on record for telling us about claims regarding Trump, etc. in the past that never turned out to have either evidence or solid ground. I am explaining why I believe there is potential for misreporting. You are welcome to dispute any of the info presented or make a case the other way. Or you can just say its sad, which doesn't mean a whole lot of anything outside of your opinion.
I think it would be interesting to compare excess deaths with the reported COVID deaths in the states with high hospital reimbursement rates. You would have to control for age and co-morbidities, but that would tell you if some are misreporting COVID deaths.
Im on the record for what? You keep digging through my posts and coming up with un gots. I do not have to disprove a baseless accusation. If you doubt how this works look at the allegations Trump’s attorneys have filed in court and how they get dismissed for lack of evidence. The burden of proof is on the accuser (you) and what you have provided so far is fuckall. What you are alleging is fraud and it’s a criminal charge. Serious stuff. You’re also using this baseless claim as means to undermine a pandemic. WTF??? I get you don’t think Covid is serious and you doubt it can actually hurt you or I guess your loved ones but there’s no doubt Covid is the third leading cause of death in 2020. We are getting close to eclipsing the total deaths from the Spanish flu in 1918. That’s the truth.
First, you've spent the last 4 years telling us the walls were closing in on Trump. The only one who thinks you've got credibility here is you. That's fine. For you. I'm not taking anyone to court. I'm pointing out evidence that could lead in a particular direction. You don't like it? Frankly I don't give a shit. You came into my thread to whine, not the other way around. I don't think COVID is as serious as it is being made out to be. Because, as I've stated numerous times, the cost to doing what we are doing to the world vs. what we should be doing to protect those who are vulnerable is clearly disproportionate. That's my issue. Poor policy and "experts" on what is crappy theory mislabeled as "Science" cause flawed policy to be passed that, aided by a complicit media intent on making Trump look bad at any cost in an election year caused hardship and loss for millions that did not have to have that happen. All because of sheep like you who tout party line instead of examining data.
See there you go again with no evidence. We can reexamine the Trump issues and all of his criminal friends. The proof is in the convictions and the soon coming pardons. Then there will be the post-presidency. Trump is “individual 1” in an indictment. I have no problem with looking back at any of it. It’s tough to get all of crimes and criminals in Trumpworld right but there certainly are a lot of them. Now with Covid, you’re doubling down on crazy saying it’s a giant media conspiracy to get Trump on top of a nationwide fraud by hospitals to inflate Covid deaths. Come on. The top doctors appointed by Trump are telling you it’s not a media conspiracy! What more do you want? And I totally get there is harm in economic slowdowns and all policy is subject to critique but that’s what leadership looks like. It ain’t pretty making the tough calls and it’s easy to criticize people in leadership positions especially if you’ve never actually had to lead anything. I will also say this, as far as leadership goes, It’s just as hard being a governor like DeSantis as it is being Cuomo. It’s not like governors aren’t following your policies you agree with. For example, in North Dakota 1 in 800 people are dead from Covid. That’s what you get from the types of policies you want.
It is annoying to see the lack of scientiific consenous on an issue that should be cut and dried. What ever happened to the “Scientific Method” and scientific reasoning? It seems science has become completely politicized as seen with the climate change debate, if smoking is bad for you, or what really causes heart disease. As such, what can we do? The answer is to research the issues, weigh the evidence, draw our own conclusions, and take appropriate actions based on those conclusions. In short, we need to think for ourselves instead of relying on media sources that often has an agenda, whether it is politically related or sublety marketing a product. It has been established Covid-19 has unique characteristics that are particularly harmful to certain groups of people, including the elderly and others who have a certain immune system profile. The published CFR is .6%, with 14 to 15% of victims having severe outcomes, suggesting Covid-19 is significantly more serious than other influenza like viruses. Further, all or almost all countries are taking this virus at least somewhat seriously as PPE and self isolation policies indicate. Covid-19 is now endemic and has spread among other mammals and avian populations, including pets. Although the scientific community is currently arguing over definitions of what consitutes a bona fide mutation into a new strain as well as relative Covid mutation rates, it seems to be safe to say each season a new Covid mutation will gain prominence. Prior policy has included attempting to isolate people through partial shutdowns. These efforts have resulted in economic, fiscal, and social stress, but did not stop the spread of Covid. Vaccines with high claimed effectiveness rates have recently become available. However, historically influenza vaccines often have below 50% effectiveness, especially for older patients, and are only effective for a season. A season that typically peaks by November to December in the Northern hemisphere, if I’m recalling correctly. Given the above considerations, what is appropriate policy? The following is a brief summary of general policy “Stances”: 1. Do nothing and accept the full impact of Covid upon our population. This stance involves accepting undefined risk and long term costs associated with higher death rates and severe outcomes. Further, this stance in the US, with it’s particulary mobile population presents reinfection risks to other countries who adopt different policies, possibly resulting in long term diplomacy related stresses. 2. Require proper use of PPE and other safe practices in public or in other situations regarding large gatherings of people. While PPE and other safe practices are not completely effective against Covid transmission, they will reduce the transmission rate and help us to possibly retain decent reserve capacity of available medical services. About half the population in the US have serious objections to the use of PPE, seemingly related to Trump’s outspoken position on the issue, reducing potential effectiveness of this policy. 3. Require Covid vaccinations. Given the likely low effectiveness of any Covid vaccine, its temporary nature, side effects, and the systemic distrust of large portions of the population, any vaccine requirements will likely be meet with resistance, including “Civil disobedience”. 4. Lockdown, travel restrictions, and closed borders among all countries for at least 4 to 6 weeks. I group all these actions into one stance, because this would be the only way to have a chance to decisively control the spread of Covid and to maintain an equal burden of such a policy among all the countries of the world. While this stance give us the best chance to eliminate Covid, the fact Covid is now endemic means likely reinfection will still occur from non-compliance and other sources. The economic and social impact of such a stance would likely be extreme, quite possibly more costly than doing nothing, while still having the risk of reinfection. All in all, it appears our best stance is to require the proper use of PPE and other safe practices where groups of people gather. It would likely greatly help if Trump reversed his position on this serious issue.
Hey, wait a minute there. Scientifically, that cannot be proven, ever, unless we can access the alternate universe where Trump and Carson did NOT receive the cocktail of drugs, and see the result. Trump might have been just fine WITHOUT that treatment he received. We can never know, because we do not have two versions of him. You cannot lay the efficacy of a treatment on one person's success.
Yep! Pretty please, with sugar on top. Wear the fucking mask, wash your hands, use hand sanitizer etc etc
Contrary to official accounts, Trump was not treated with a case of Covid. It was Covid treated with a case of Trump! Hence the resulting 100% effective vaccine! For obvious reasons, we can never let the Left know that Covid vaccine is really “Essence” of Trump!
Welcome to the US where people die more then 3 years sooner and pay enormously for basic health care services. Bonus during Covid of almost triple the death rate.