Carbon Credits

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by DallasCowboysFan, Feb 9, 2017.

  1. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    When you can come to grips with ideas like logic and high-fallutin' concepts like high school Newtonian physics (and all the troubling little notions like thermodynamics with which the rest of us (in a land called Reality) have to deal), then maybe you can come around to the fact that while citing your new "theory" that electric cars are the shit, your first effort at flinging your intellectual feces against the wall to see what would stick, involved HYBRIDS.

    Ferchrisakes.

    I doubt you will have anything constructive to write from here, so "B'bye."
     
    #31     Feb 12, 2017
  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    Sorry, I meant to type "aren't" less damaging, not "are". I was tired. I think electric cars are shit, not "are the shit".
     
    #32     Feb 12, 2017
  3. Lead acid batteries are mostly recycled. I don't know the percentage , but it's high....80-90 percent of an old battery is recycled into new ones.

    What about the Lithium Ion batteries.....? I honestly don't know but I am going to suggest that it will be equally high.
     
    #33     Feb 13, 2017
  4. Sig

    Sig

    Well here's a pretty comprehensive two year study that shows exactly that:
    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/life-cycle-ev-emissions#.WKMfrfkrKiM

    "Over their lifetime, battery electric vehicles produce far less global warming pollution than their gasoline counterparts—and they’re getting cleaner."

    I'll be the first to admit that Union of Concerned Scientists are concerned about climate change and there will be an inherent bias to anything they put out, but that said this is a pretty in-depth study and I don't see any actual flaws in their data and methodology. Nor do I see Brietbart et al. putting out anything of remotely similar rigor to show the opposite, so at this point I'm going to go with the scientists.
     
    #34     Feb 14, 2017
  5. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    Yeah, Sig, the UCS have a certain left-handed friendliness, but too, they know they face a hostile crowd, so they structure their work (from their inception) with a fair degree of rigor.

    One of the concepts that whuzhizname used correctly in a sentence was "lifecycle costs" so, kudos to him on that, at least.
     
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    #35     Feb 14, 2017
  6. Overnight

    Overnight

    Thank you for the link. Briefing through it, it looks chock-full of information in what appears to be an in-depth analysis. Will study it when able and provide feedback if appropriate.
     
    #36     Feb 14, 2017
  7. I emailed Tesla about the quarterly report but I never got a reply.
    Well.........I received 2 messages about pre-ordering a new Tesla S and how amazing their charging system is for the garage.

    But nothing about ZEV credits.

    I don't blame them though, the clerk that opened the email probably thinks a ZEV credit is something you get at a casino in Vegas.
     
    #37     Feb 14, 2017
  8. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    #38     Feb 14, 2017
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  10. Sig

    Sig

    Unfortunately they failed to mention one of the huge reasons why compressed air storage never caught on. When you compress air it get's hot. A bunch of the energy you use to compress it goes into that heat. Which get's dissipated into the surrounding rock overnight as it sits. Then when you decompress it, the air get's really cold. So you have to burn natural gas to heat the air back up as you decompress it. Not terribly efficient, not to mention the paucity of giant airproof caves in the places where you need them
     
    #40     Feb 14, 2017
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