Captain Robert Mueller

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    That may be what it sounds like to you, but it is not what it sounds like to me. I don't expect to hear much directly from Mueller until after Jan. 3rd, if then. Some of what he's found has already been farmed out to other U.S. Attorneys, and some may be held until Trump is out of office. There is an eighty page draft indictment on felony campaign financing charges already waiting for him. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. They are going after Trump, and he is dead meat. And it is obviously beginning to sink in with Trump that he is in serious trouble. Until now he has been able to bully his way out of jams. No longer. Watch Trump closely. He is mentally unbalanced, and his behavior could become even more irrational. He may force a crisis.

    It is virtually certain there will be some very serious charges surfacing, with appropriate timing, before the 2020 election. Chances are quite good that he is going to jail after 2020. Of course this situation could change dramatically if he can somehow manage to get himself re-elected. He'll do anything at this point to try and get re-elected, and thus keep himself out of jail. He is a acting like a caged animal.
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2018
    #41     Nov 11, 2018
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  2. I saw a poll on the news that said otherwise. However, if the poll you are citing actually reflects the majority sentiment of the American people, this is not goods news for our political system.

    The methodology of competing polls is critical to understanding what the results really mean. Even how a pollster asks a question can affect an answer. Given that polls are used as a device in the United States for the purpose of influencing public opinion, over time even a poll that showed public opinion leaning one way could change given constant media propaganda.

    We need investigations to be based on probable cause and reasonable suspicion, not based on political desires or as a tool to try to gather evidence for misconduct not related to the original charge.

    Even the original charge itself is a general term and does not cite a specific law that has been violated. Why do you think that would be? Could it be that Mueller wants to reduce risk of being charged with false accusation? If a specific charge is not listed, he may be legally safe. Does a general term give Mueller more flexibility in coming up with a more specific charge should they later find some evidence that might match a possible, sellable theory? Does plea arrangements that require cooperation in Mueller’s investigation of some of the people involved with Trump amount to coersion or even possible witness tampering? Would these “witnesses” sell themselves to Mueller as having helpful information to save their skin? Would these witnesses exaggerate or worse? Have you ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition?

    Basically, the Radical Leftists are in deep with Russia financially, in people, and philosophically based on historical events and current evidence. The Radical Leftists are afraid of the public finding out just how much Russia is influencing US politics. Almost everything on US media is propaganda 24/7 from news, talk shows, sitcoms, and movies. We know this because these shows promote disfunctional behaviour, are divisive, and question the respected historical norms of religion, hardwork, ethics, and country.

    Russia, Communism, and the Radical Leftist philosophy is unsound as measured by their economy, standard of living, and happiness of their people.

    Spend a few months in Russia for a preview of whats coming to the United States. Meet the people there, especially some of the women, and get a job as well if you can. Even better, try to come up with a plan where you can improve the living situation for yourself and family over in Russia. In the real polls, those polls where people’s actions speak louder than words, those “polls” that measure emigration and immigration to and from countries, can you guess which way people are flowing? If you guessed to the United States, good job. Now the question is, can you guess why that would be? Better opportunities, perhaps? If so, why would we want to change those things that mades America great and a sought after country by potential immigrants? To benefit a handful of power hungry politicians? Really? Try looking at issues in multiple ways. Talk to a wider variety of people. The “cause” you are supporting is not in your or your families best interests. Figure it out because once our freedoms are taken away, they are not coming back.

    As it is, this Russia Collusion Investigation is a political device designed by the Radical Leftists and is supported by Mueller, a Bush Appointee. Jeb Bush was a competitor to Trump in the Republican nomination process. The purpose of this investigation is to unfairly influence American voters for political gain after Leftist Hillary Clinton’s and Jeb Bush’s Presidential aspirations were crushed by Trump.
     
    #42     Nov 11, 2018
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let me state that I completely disagree with you on the subject of "felony campaign financing charges". Your assertions have no evidence or reliable information to back what you are pushing. The belief that "serious charges surfacing" is nothing more than wishful thinking from the left.
     
    #43     Nov 11, 2018
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    But there's a guy sitting in jail for it already. Do you think prosecutors care about the feelings of criminals or those who believe in them when they have evidence backing them up?
     
    #44     Nov 11, 2018
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    I posted 2 polls,one from Fox and one from CNN,can't get fairer than that.There are other polls that show the majority support the investigation although I wouldn't be surprised if a Rasmussen poll showed otherwise.
     
    #45     Nov 11, 2018
  6. piezoe

    piezoe

    Eighty pages in the draft indictment -- the charges and the evidence. It is very foolish to continue to pretend the evidence does not exist when we both know of the draft indictment. Because we don't ourselves have personal access to the draft at the moment does not mean it does not exist. We do have access to the Cohen indictment however. I have read that indictment, and I assure you there is plenty of evidence. In that indictment, Trump is the un-named co-conspirator -- "a candidate for Federal Office." There was enough then to send Trump's co-conspirator to Federal Prison, he is awaiting sentencing. It is obvious that since the cohen indictment, Cohen's and Pecker's cooperation with prosecutors has provided much stronger evidence of felony campaign contribution violations. This is just the tip of the iceberg however, when it comes to Trumps criminal past, as you are soon to learn.
     
    #46     Nov 11, 2018
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So show me an 80 page draft indictment online? I think it only lives in the fervent imagination of those on the left.

    Certainly if such a document exists --- it would have been leaked by now.
     
    #47     Nov 11, 2018
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    and when it's filed next week/month, will you ignore it as was the case with Cohen's? With the Russian intel officers?
     
    #48     Nov 11, 2018
  9. The key phrases may be “Supported the investigation” vs “Investigation is politically motivated”. this may help explain our different views on the poll results.
     
    #49     Nov 11, 2018
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I stated the primary point earlier. The campaign finance issues discovered in the Stormy Daniels situation will amount to nothing more than a fine from the elections commission at worst. The violations are minor league.

    Did the attempt to indict John Edwards for doing the effectively the exact same thing? What about the dozens of other similar examples of politicians who did the exact same thing to cover up affairs.
     
    #50     Nov 12, 2018