Capital protected ETF

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by traderjo, Jun 10, 2024.

  1. maxinger

    maxinger

    #21     Jun 23, 2024
  2. traderjo

    traderjo

    Why would you call it a ponzi, the structure is clearly mentioned , using Flex options they do 3 legged spread combo ... Long DEEEEP in the money Call + Downside protected by a bought PUT + Soled CAP option ... the question I am posing simply is can it be done using Exchange traded options at retail level
     
    #22     Jun 24, 2024
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  3. mervyn

    mervyn

    other than exercise option is not european style and lot size is 100 shares, yes, one can duplicate the trades with listed standanized options.

    if you have lot of money, major brokers will likely to provide the access the flex option chain, which mm would reply to rfq slowly.
     
    #23     Jun 24, 2024
  4. traderjo

    traderjo

    major brokers will likely to provide the access the flex option chain, which mm would reply to rfq slowly.

    so not possible at Real retail then... yes true SPY options are American style but can one use SPX option ,, however how to get Zero cost
     
    #24     Jun 25, 2024
  5. mervyn

    mervyn

    if you are a “big” retail customer, call the broker and find out, silexx platform has flex. no one says is zero cost, that’s just not possible, everyone needs to make money.
     
    #25     Jun 25, 2024
  6. traderjo

    traderjo

    no one says is zero cost,? Calmos listed at 25$ with approx 9% cap at expiry in 365 days and 100% downside , so that is what they mean by zero cost collar ! the max risk is the 0.69% management fee
     
    #26     Jun 25, 2024
  7. BMK

    BMK

    These products have gotten some attention in the media lately.

    Kiplinger Personal Finance just published a fairly neutral overview here:

    https://www.kiplinger.com/investing/should-you-be-investing-in-buffered-etfs

    And Matt Levine at Bloomberg has some interesting thoughts:

    https://tinyurl.com/240624BBLevine

    In this column, Levine links to an earlier piece that he wrote last year, which is also worth a look:

    https://tinyurl.com/230719BBLevine

    If you really want to understand his point in the earlier column, read footnote #4, where he writes that "If you are a sophisticated investor you can quibble with it..."

    These are gift links from Bloomberg. A subscription is not required. The links expire in seven days.
     
    #27     Jul 7, 2024
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  8. mervyn

    mervyn

    i had done these structures before the gfc, for a large retail bank with structure desk in london, index-linked notes, it was called.
     
    #28     Jul 7, 2024
  9. BMK

    BMK

    Yeah, they were sometimes called structured notes. But that stuff was OTC, right? And only for institutional accounts or accredited investors?

    What's new is the ETF products and CEF-like products that trade live and are available to retail investors.
     
    #29     Jul 7, 2024
  10. mervyn

    mervyn

    US regulators won’t allow US retail customers to access structured derivative products. Overseas you can sell to the retail customers as “deposits”, with a counterparty risk because mainly it is executed via cfd trades.
     
    #30     Jul 7, 2024