Can you hedge real estate?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by long, Dec 28, 2023.

  1. long

    long

    You’ve proven the others right. You’re a moron.
     
    #21     Dec 28, 2023
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  2. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I own a decent amount of industrial real estate in farm areas.

    The value of the land is strictly dependent on there being a buyer for that land. That buyer will buy that land because it fits their operational needs (for example it allows them to expand their operations). At that point the global real estate market is irrelevant.

    Banks value the property on cash flow. This is why landlords don’t lower rents to fill vacancies, not based on some indexed pricing of land.


     
    #22     Dec 28, 2023
  3. Quanto

    Quanto

    1) The 22% is an insurance for 5 years.
    2) When in dispute, then you can let the actual value estimate by an independent source, and IMO such is done very often any day by some qualified and certified specialists&companies, their report is even usable in the court.
    3) One of course in advance also can agree upon on which metric/index to follow for determining the actual value.

    What do you think about the second method (the hot tip posting above)? :)
     
    #23     Dec 28, 2023
  4. destriero

    destriero

    This idi0t:


    Quanto said:
    Here's a hot tip for you:
    A much cheaper insurance (actually an unbelievably $0 insurance!) would be this method:
    take a loan on the property and then buy "something" in the regular stock market, plus sell its ATM Call options and buy its ATM Put options. It costs you net $0. This then locks (freezes) the initial value of the underlying. Ie. no loss possible at all, and everything is insured & secured!...
    Enjoy! :)


    Buy shares -> short ATM call -> buy ATM put = conversion arb. Edge loss at prevailing funding at 0 delta.

    Long 100 natural shares -> short 100 synthetic shares at a loss of edge. No position. Locked loss. No insurance or hedge utility.
     
    #24     Dec 28, 2023
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  5. destriero

    destriero

    This fck is whining to baron in PM.
     
    #25     Dec 28, 2023
  6. zdreg

    zdreg

    I have made copies in case Baron acquiesces to this meathead,
     
    #26     Dec 28, 2023
  7. destriero

    destriero


    I hope he deletes it. There is no hedge for ET, either.
     
    #27     Dec 28, 2023
  8. Quanto

    Quanto

    Some people don't understand the above said.
    Here's the proof for locking (freezing) the current value of a stock with any volatility and for any time frame (here volatility 50, and locking for 1 year): as can be seen the PnL=0 for all and any future stock value, which proves the above said.

    NoLoss.png
     
    #28     Dec 28, 2023
  9. Blocked as well...not even sure why.

    Badge of honour by the sounds of it!:D

    Sending everyone a t-shirt: "If youre not blocked by Quanto,youre sitting at the wrong table.":D:D
     
    #29     Dec 28, 2023
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  10. %%
    Plenty of ways to mange RE risk; not a complete list hereLOL
    1]Very experienced RE agent helps to the max.....
    2]I would look @ 100 %gain as good starter, assume a massive check list was a positive??.
    3]Local community bankers could give another opinion; even though one I used in business on land was way to negative LOL.[So in case of failure he could say told you so-LOL]
    4] Have to consider a certified appraiser, usually use the local bank's= conservative
    5] I bought mostly land + sold[thru RE agents] for 20+ years; its speculation, but worked wellwith plenty of work.........
    6.66] 100% of foreclosures are caused by debt or to much debt; not likely my lawyer would agree to an accelerated lenders contract due, just because of drop in values, is that CA??
    [7.77] RE seller furnishes survey, even though a good RE agent can work something out:caution:
     
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    #30     Dec 28, 2023