Can you design a horribly losing system?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by 1a2b3cppp, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. Its already designed.Support and Resistance.
     
    #11     Apr 5, 2013
  2. cso1

    cso1

    Alternately buy and sell anything you can with wide spreads, as many times as possible in as short a time as possible. Bonus points for consistently going against the 1-4 hour trend and never using a stop loss.
     
    #12     Apr 5, 2013
  3. Designing a consistently losing strategy is as "difficult" as designing a consistently winning strategy. I tried it too. The only way to make consistent losses is with frequent trades and thus transaction costs.

    Think about this though: if you can make a strategy that trades rarely and is short-only, then you can be always long except when it is telling you to go short. Just that, doing that makes the problem no less difficult, but it makes it different. Noise, noise, noise...
     
    #13     Apr 5, 2013
  4. Agreed.



    But here is a simple long-term loosing system (at least not cheating with commision or slippage):

    Sell short the basket of all Dow constituents.
     
    #14     Apr 5, 2013
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  6. An ET poster named "Marketsurfer" has come up with a pretty bad losing system - something called "The Pile Driver!".

    Just kidding, Surfy! :D
     
    #16     Apr 5, 2013
  7. Interesting idea but doubt its possible.

    IMO the traders who consistently lose dont have a system or method

    or if they do it is very loosely constructed, and they dont always follow it

    they dont lose because they are following the rules of a losing system

    they lose because they make a lot of spur of the moment emotional decisions... that are more often than not wrong.

    often times they are trading on knee jerk reactions and having a panic any time price goes against them

    that stuff is probably mostly random and cant be quantified in any way, so cant be exploited.
     
    #17     Apr 5, 2013
  8. For my relatively short test period, I had negative expectancy when using a 240 WMA and 21 HMA and taking trades when both slopes lined up.

    In order to have positive expectancy (for my relatively short test period) I had to add in another price action factor.

    The negative expectancy was due to being chopped out. Obviously there are going to be some massive wins in such a system. I'll see if I can find my notes.

    This is an interesting thread. I don't know how one would develop a losing indicator-based system. 1a2b3cppp I know in your journal threads you treat price as if it were random. In such a case it would be quite hard to develop a losing (or winning) system because no matter what you do, price may behave in a way that makes you money. It would be like designing a losing system for betting on coin flips. No matter what you do you'll probably end up around a 50% win rate.
     
    #18     Apr 5, 2013


  9. Define 'horribly'
     
    #19     Apr 5, 2013
  10. A consistently losing system with a decreasing equity curve.
     
    #20     Apr 5, 2013