Can you beat someone who religiously buy and hold bitcoin from inception with trading?

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by HolyGrailSeeker, Nov 22, 2021.

  1. wartrace

    wartrace

    I just don't get the "beat" part. I am not competing with an investor in at the start. Why should I worry about "beating" them?
     
    #11     Nov 22, 2021
  2. johnarb

    johnarb

    For people saying someone who got in early got lucky, all I have to say is LMAO :D

    I bought my first bitcoin at $100 and bought more as it kept going up all the way to over $1,000 in 2014 and experienced my first bear market, absolute horrible experience

    I saw many who quit bitcoin and cryptos during that bear market. Swore it off

    Here's a video that shows the crash except it ended in 2015, but the bitcoin bottom in that bear market cycle was in 2016 at around $150 per bitcoin

    Fuck "being lucky" You have no idea what it's like

     
    #12     Nov 22, 2021
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  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    Buy and hold rules.

    #goBulls
     
    #13     Nov 22, 2021
  4. mikeriley

    mikeriley

    We traded bitcoin the first year Coinbase opened for business. Recently sold everything at 64k. Of course a million bitcoin investors will claim our decision was premature, but our timeline and fractal geometry led to our exit strategy.

    As Bob Volman so eloquently stated "That is why trading is such a fascinating clash of opposing ideas and insights. It is this perpetual disagreement on price and value that causes the market to provide endless liquidity to all participants involved."
     
    #14     Nov 22, 2021
  5. maxinger

    maxinger

    you are doing very well as an investor.

    If I were an investor or swing trader, I would be losing $$$.
     
    #15     Nov 22, 2021
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  6. deaddog

    deaddog

    And buying 1000 dollars worth and now being rich beyond your wildest dreams isn't hindsight.

    I haven't looked at the chart but it will depend on how you define a trend. I define it as making higher highs and higher lows (reverse for down trend) A ranging month might not change a trend.

    I'm not sure you will have the moves you did in the past, but trading the trend tends to out perform buy and hold. Of course you get whipsawed at times but you don't lose a lot. All you need is a couple cases with an extreme drop where you sell high and buy low to outperform buy and hold. After a situation where you have sold then bought back at a lower price you will have more shares that when you started.

    If you have an instrument that never changes trend then buy and hold will end up the same as a trend follower because the trend follower will have held because there was no reason to exit.
     
    #16     Nov 22, 2021
  7. blink18

    blink18

    Best strategy in this case is doing nothing. This is basically call option / insurance, if you know that price will be $56k, enjoy your life and exercise your $0.06 "call option" in 2021.
     
    #17     Nov 22, 2021
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  8. traider

    traider

    Yes, HFT market making beats everything in terms of risk adjusted returns.
     
    #18     Nov 23, 2021
  9. maxinger

    maxinger

    I don't believe it.
    crypto things move relatively slowly, and the bid-offer spread is relatively wide.

    High-frequency traders will die in such an environment.
     
    #19     Nov 23, 2021
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  10. I doubt so seriously. More consistent profits yes.
     
    #20     Nov 23, 2021