Can Start Buying Natty Now

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by Comanche, Jul 11, 2007.

  1. Its fascinating how the psychology behind price changes as price stabilizes and makes new lows.

    ie.. it is much easier to short 6 considering we've been flirting with 5.25 already, and we have an october expiration ahead of us with no gulf storm activity (yet). OTOH, a few months ago I remember buying 7.50, 7.25, 6.50, etc. with all hands and fists and DEATHLY afraid to short it (with so much unknown ahead of hurricane season).

    The best trades are the most painful.

    that vx spread is around 82c right now. the hj is at 37c. The hj price makes sense to me here; the vx does not. I'd sell it at 1.00, but not here (considering there is a lot of support for the spread in this price zone). My 'common sense' tells me that VX is a sell down to the 30 or 40c range. But I don't have the balls to do that (not after what I've been thru in this market).
     
    #251     Sep 11, 2007
  2. "Yup. A lot of bull suckers are getting killed these days, trying to pick the bottom."


    schnitzel small position on weakness days and lighten up position during strength)

    this is how to build a longterm long position

    when crude was $20 cheaper, THAT was the time to buy. but nobody wanted it.

    NG is in a similar boat. all we need is some geo event, or whatnot and it will ramp

    it's a commodity. if you don't overleverage and you have a longer time frame, weakness is a great buy opp
     
    #252     Sep 12, 2007
  3. wow.

    i sold a fair portion of my UNG IRA holding today. 40.10

    again, my longterm strategy with commodities is buy on weakness and sell on strength. don't chase.

    beautiful natgas!!!
     
    #253     Sep 12, 2007
  4. sweet i killed ung. had 4800 shares avg $34.38. just kep averaging in as it held the bottoms. sold all today as i think a huge recession will take natty to $4 or less
     
    #254     Sep 12, 2007
  5. thats some 'long term' strategy you trade...

    :)

    [ 1 week? ]
     
    #255     Sep 12, 2007
  6. i wasn't expecting 15% + in a week lol

    when I bought oil, it took a few months to get 25%

    but when something i own moves that far, that fast, i take some profit. imo, doesn't pay to get greedy or euphoric.

    i still have 1/3 and will add on weakness, but i was expecting this to take longer to move this fast, AND remember i hold these as much as a hedge, as i do as a directional trade
     
    #256     Sep 12, 2007
  7. Sequoia

    Sequoia

    Hi guys,

    I have been holding my position and reinforcing it as well. My average price is now 6.10 so I am now positive. Pfew, at last !!! Funny because I posted a Technical analysis on my website yesterday, saying that if 6 was broken, NG would be heading towards the gap zone between 6.8 and 7. It''s on the road !!
     
    #257     Sep 12, 2007
  8. fwiw, when it comes to commodities, i don't even pay much, if any attention to TA (for swings/hedge trades) except that i buy after there has been prolonged weakness and wait to sell into strength

    that prevents chasing and gets me a good (historical price)

    commodities are "different" in that the best cure for low prices IS low prices as has been oft-commented on. it's also why scale traders do very well in commodities.
     
    #258     Sep 12, 2007

  9. the 'irrational exuberance' in NG doesn't last long.

    About a few hours.

    This is a super-bear.
     
    #259     Sep 13, 2007
  10. and THAT my friends is why i sold (as mentioned ) yesterday

    SELL euphoria, buy panic

    period.

    i will be looking to add on weakness
     
    #260     Sep 13, 2007