Can someone explain to me the purpose of a dividend?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Nofear777, Nov 26, 2008.

  1. I'll cut you some slack.

    Let's change your question slightly. Let's say the stock constantly trades at cash value and has a dividend. So each time the stock goes ex-dividend the price would drop by the amount of the dividend. But between that time and the next dividend date the price would gradually increase as cash is accumulated again.

    In the real world, stocks do the same thing, but it isn't as obvious because of all the market noise and because they don't trade at cash value.
     
    #41     Nov 26, 2008
  2. gnome

    gnome

    I was just goofing on you before about the tax aspects... though that's what actually happens.

    When a corporation has net earnings, they pay corporate income tax. What's left after tax are "retained earnings", and carried on the balance sheet as an asset. They can either continue to carry that asset as-is, or distribute it to shareholders (who of course get hosed on the tax aspect).

    So, when a corporation takes $1 off of it's balance sheet to send it to shareholders as a dividend, the company's worth has been reduced by the amount of the reduction in "retained earnings"... so, the stock value is accordingly reduced.

    The PURPOSE of a dividend is to distribute net profits to the owners (shareholders).... that's part of their reward for taking the risk of owning the company.
     
    #42     Nov 26, 2008
  3. Divdends are important. I'll pose this another way:


    Company X has a simple balance sheet, holding only $100/share equivalent in cash, but they only really need less than half that to fund ongoing operations.

    Their earnings are also consistent and very predictable: They will earn $2.5/share in the coming year.

    Would you buy this stock for $100 knowing you would only earn 2.5% on your money ... and the money would be retained at that?? Obviously not.

    Instead this company would best pay a dividend of $50/share. Shareholders get their cash, and the ensuing year Company X earns ~5% on its invested capital ($2.5/50). Not great, but certainly better than 2.5%.

    Hopefully that illustrates in a simple manner why shareholders would press a company to pay dividends.

    Corporate raiders like Icahn and the rest often target companies that retain too much capital. The raider will often acquire one or more board seats and otherwise pressure the company to pay a big dividend in some form or another. In the end it is better for companies to pay regular dividends than in big lumps.
     
    #43     Nov 27, 2008
  4. Lets say someone asked you to partner with someone and put in 25K for part ownership of a restaurant. Wont you expect to get part of the earnings in your pocket 4 times a year or just have your money tied up and the only way to recover or make a profit is to find someone else who is willing to pay more for that share of the restaurant than you just did.


    What would you prefer to do when you retire, live off the dividends and care less about what Mr. Market or hope that when you retire you can sell your stocks at a rate where you do not do reverse cost averaging and end up outliving your nestegg.

    During times like this having safe dividend stocks are the way to go. As long as you have a diversified portfolio of good solid dividend paying stocks with a good history of cashflow, safe dividend payouts %'s etc.. you are good to go. Just do the dividend reinvest and you dollar cost average more shares cheaper, increasing your yield and your equity stake.

    And if you are smart you can live off the dividends when you retire and not destroy your nestegg. You will then actually have something that you can pass on to your children, ownership a stake of several good companies.
     
    #44     Nov 27, 2008
  5. eagle

    eagle

    Who the hell will guarantee you that stock price must always go up or remain in theory value or whatever else if the company is making money.

    Can I return this question to you. Then you will figure out why stable money-making company is giving dividend.

    Why banks are giving GIC (Guaranteed Investment Certificate) rate to their investors? Why don't they just take your money and return back full amount without interest?

    Think like this if you put your money in:
    Bank - They pay interest + capital.
    Company - They pay dividend (not always) ± stock price.

    PS: This thread should be one page long. The more it extends its pages, the more confused you are and tell about your ability to decipher information. They have explained you well in many ways.

     
    #45     Nov 27, 2008
  6. oatmeals

    oatmeals

    I've been pondering this question and have come to the same conclusion as well. The dividends give you the option to take it or reinvest. Downside though is that dividends are usually taxed greater than capital gains.

    The second part of the equation is what the company can return on the money if they kept it versus you investing yourself. That's why growth companies should not payout distrubutions whereas blue chip firms which face diseconmies of scale are better off paying out dividends...generaly speaking of course.
     
    #46     Nov 27, 2008
  7. gnome

    gnome

    Tax consequences are the same whether you receive a check or additional shares purchased by the dividend.
     
    #47     Nov 27, 2008
  8. oatmeals

    oatmeals

    I was referring to your return on the stock either by dividends or by stock appreciation (capitial gains).
     
    #48     Nov 27, 2008
  9. gnome

    gnome

    Separate issues...
     
    #49     Nov 27, 2008
  10. LOL. You really think I listen to stocktrader's calls? That's funny!

     
    #50     Nov 27, 2008