can someone explain this for me ?

Discussion in 'Options' started by cashclay, Dec 6, 2023.

  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    So if price went up 84 ticks then dropped 230 ticks, put will also move exactly 84 ticks and 230? And every other move every time ... tick for tick.

    I must be watching the wrong symbol.

    Or like I said it, don't expect it to move tick for tick - as in sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
     
    #11     Dec 6, 2023
  2. schizo

    schizo

    Dude, when you short a put, that's the same thing as buying a call. So it only makes sense you made money as the stock went up.

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    #12     Dec 6, 2023
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  3. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    "Placed a put"..bro you're making us noobs look really damn bad.
     
    #13     Dec 6, 2023
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  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    he's saying the price of the put went up when the stock went up.

    in your example, it would be reasonable to expect the put to go down 42 ticks and then go up 115 ticks. and deviation would be gamma (not enough vol for that) or vega (which could be anything). But your comment wasn't helpful. You could have easily just said, "the sky is blue"
     
    #14     Dec 6, 2023
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    He didn't say until later he SOLD the put.

    Second guess what I was saying all you want. Never stopped you in the past.
     
    #15     Dec 6, 2023
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    buy or sell is irrelevant to your post as your post just said it’s not correlated.
     
    #16     Dec 6, 2023
  7. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    MSU much.
     
    #17     Dec 6, 2023
  8. TheDawn

    TheDawn

    You actually sold a put option as the quantity in position is -1. When you sell a put option, it's the opposite of buying a put option. When you buy a put option, when the underlying loses value, your put option gains value but when you sell a put option, you make money when the underlying is going up; it's the put option buyers who would lose money because they've bought the put to protect the value of the underlying but the underlying is actually gaining in value so the put they bought is useless.

    The put option is like insurance on the value of the underlying. When you sold the put, you are the insurance company that sold the insurance on the underlying's value. When the thing that you bought the insurance on turns out to be ok, who do you think would make money?

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/putoption.asp
     
    #18     Dec 7, 2023
  9. cesfx

    cesfx

    By shorting the put, even your margin it's a lot higher than the cost of buying it. Your payoff clearly shows your exposition to the downside, and your limited profit on the upside.

    Check the margin required and the payoff graph before execution.

    Basic stuff, it's good that you are on paper.
    A paper book might help too :D
     
    #19     Dec 7, 2023
  10. cesfx

    cesfx

    You mean the same as buying a Covered Call.
     
    #20     Dec 7, 2023