Can one strategy work "most of the time" in any market condition?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by joeltrades, Aug 14, 2021.

  1. Handle123

    Handle123

    LOL, 6 months, I can laugh...now having 43 years at my back, since 1992 learned to program, most of my time of building systems is back testing.

    "Strategies", did you build them or from books that thousands have read before you or internet, if they were free, you get what you get. How much of the strategies were based on charting? Did you know that 99% of systems are based on risk management and entries are 1% of the system? Most don't have large enough sample size, 3,000 minimum over several years, most can't read charts and have no clear understanding of toping/bottoming formations, or average swing lengths for uptrend or downtrend, "mean" average of retracements. What's the difference between buying on momentum or buying as it drops as per risk?

    You build enough systems each year and test them well, there are some that work on every timeframe, every instrument, BUT risk changes depending on different factors, cost of stocks, cost of futures contracts, expirations of futures and options, changes in open interest and new contract highs in futures, no options in futures, seasons, political unrest, government reports etc...If you trading a $9 stock can't use same percentages on a $900 stock. Each stock has it's own personality.

    Also, acceptance, hard to learn, learning to accept all systems have some type of drawdowns, BUT this is learned through back testing. Also, one's equity curve, learn when you are due for drawdown and then cut back size.
     
    #11     Aug 15, 2021
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  2. virtusa

    virtusa

    You should use basic knowledge and think like a problem solver.

    1. There are indeed different market conditions. So the first step is to define the market conditions. For me different market conditions means different strenghts of the trend.
    2. Next step is to have a basic trading plan. Most important is to understand the logic behind each "indicator" you use, helps you to "predict" the behavior of the market.
    3. Then adapt the basic trading plan to the actual market conditions. Trending markets require staying longer in a trade. Non trending markets require faster exit and shorter stays in a trade. Interpretation of indicators also changes depending on the strenght of the trend.
    4. Don't forget that markets are dynamic. So you might be forced to change from one trading plan to another depending on the ever changing market conditions. The entire system should be self adjusting. If you succeed your variable trading plan will look like one plan that always gives you the optimal strategy for that moment. Logical but difficult to realize.
     
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    #12     Aug 15, 2021
  3. buy & hold SPX, you'll consistently beat most hedge funds, CTAs/CPOs, almost all quant funds, and Fund of Funds. I'd say that's "fairly well"
     
    #13     Aug 15, 2021
  4. maxinger

    maxinger

    Let me talk about day trading.

    Even if you are in the zone and highly disciplined,
    it doesn't mean you will earn money.

    In my Journal, I am trying to emphasize there are
    - time when it is easy to earn $$$ & time when it is very difficult to earn $$$,

    - some futures that are easy to trade, some futures that are very difficult to trade.

    Last Friday, those who traded Asian index futures should be happy.
    Those who trade European and US index futures would find trading very challenging.

    And market conditions change and we need to know what is in 'fashion',
    and what is not.
     
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  5. wmwmw

    wmwmw

    Ancient people never believe man can fly.
    Why? Because they never did.

    This fact tells that you should not deny a possibility just because you can not do it.

    Those who deny there are strategies that can work all time, are those who can never do it.

    I believe it because I did it.
    My strategy can work all time, in all conditions, it even work both in daytrading and longer term swing trading, with the same basic rule.
     
    #15     Aug 15, 2021
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  6. userque

    userque

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    #16     Aug 15, 2021
  7. Peter8519

    Peter8519

    Trend Following strategy.
     
    #17     Aug 15, 2021
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  8. themickey

    themickey

    My strategy works all the time too, except in a downturn/bear market, similar to CANSLIM but without the CAN.
     
    #18     Aug 15, 2021
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  9. wmwmw

    wmwmw

    Yes, trend following strategy.
    But it is too general.
    Everyone knows trend following is good, but very few can apply it.
    Because very few people know where trend starts, and where it ends.

    So the key point is your strategy should figure out where a trend initiates, and where it ends.
    And so you know where to enter, where to stop and where to take profit.
     
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    #19     Aug 15, 2021
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  10. wmwmw

    wmwmw

    My strategy works most effective in big market crash like in Feb -March last year.
     
    #20     Aug 15, 2021
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