Can Market Makers (bots) see your stop in ES/MES?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by TimtheEnchanter, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. volpri

    volpri

    Obviously the end goal is to make money. However, the focal point WHEN trading has to be the process one is using AND WHAT the market is doing. Am I executing? Am I doing WHAT I am supposed to do WHEN I am supposed to do it, HOW I am supposed to do it regardless of how I feel?
     
    #51     Sep 25, 2020
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  2. Support levels are not absolute. But if you did not put in the required training/study/reseqrch to find that out you should stick to your little gold. You are competing with armys of PHD's and other professionals, never forget that!
     
    #52     Sep 25, 2020
  3. Tradex

    Tradex

    PhD's (and Mba's) are lousy traders, it has been proved again and again.
     
    #53     Sep 25, 2020
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  4. Tradex

    Tradex

    I once used an anti stop-hunting software. It sends phony stop loss levels to the broker while my real stop is hidden (of course it becomes active when the market goes against me).

    After a few months the broker somehow noticed this strange trading activity and kicked me out. :D

    For some weird reason the software itself was discontinued and no longer works. Oh well.
     
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    #54     Sep 25, 2020
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  5. Trader Curt

    Trader Curt

    Honestly I think there is more profit to be made from just taking a bigger loss or holding, than there is from using a stop loss that has false triggers 75% of the time. Id rather have one 10% loss than have a false stop 10 times at 1%...
     
    #55     Sep 25, 2020
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  6. Tradex

    Tradex

    Yes, if only for a psychological reason.

    However, if the small stop loss is triggered that often then there is certainly a problem with the timing of the entry itself, and in that case the trading rules must be fine-tuned.
     
    #56     Sep 25, 2020
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  7. longshort

    longshort

    CME only supports stop-limit and stop-with-protection. Ordinary stops are simulated by the broker and don't make it to the exchange before being triggered. In TWS, working orders are green when native to the exchange, blue when simulated by IB. Other traders can't see orders simulated by the broker -- at least in a centralized market like futures. Payment for order flow (stocks) or trading against the house (forex) can change this but none of that is allowed in futures.
     
    #57     Sep 25, 2020
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  8. Trader Curt

    Trader Curt

    I've tried, the markets I trade are extremely volatile. Basically you either have to have faith or you're out. There is no, "Oh if I just put a stop here I'll be safe!"
     
    #58     Sep 25, 2020
  9. Well the guys who write the algos for the banks probably aren't plumbers and bar keepers..
     
    #59     Sep 25, 2020
  10. Tradex

    Tradex

    They are lousy traders as well.

    On the other hand plumbers and bartenders can become excellent traders.
     
    #60     Sep 25, 2020
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