Can Market Makers (bots) see your stop in ES/MES?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by TimtheEnchanter, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    If he originally saw the possibility of a 6 point gain, was stopped out with a 3 point loss, and waited to reenter at his original price, 3 points of the gain would be lost to cover the original stop loss. And the R:R would drop from 1:2 down to 1:1.

    Averaging down allows him to recover the old stop loss on the way back up and double the potential point gain now that he has double the contracts -- assuming he is correct in the first attempt. Okay, maybe two attempts. :) Or something like that...

    It's similar to scale trading.
     
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    #31     Sep 24, 2020
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  2. volpri

    volpri

    Not if a trader has his SL’s set :)
     
    #32     Sep 24, 2020
  3. Tradex

    Tradex

    And what if the second stop is also hit, 12 points below the initial entry price?
    Now the trader is sitting on a 21 point loss, versus 3 points in the first scenario (no averaging down).

    That's 7 times the initial stop!

    Ouch!
     
    #33     Sep 24, 2020
  4. volpri

    volpri

    :)
     
    #34     Sep 24, 2020
  5. volpri

    volpri

    Don’t need to backtest it. It is a losing strategy. Creates multiple consecutive losses.

    By averaging down I am exiting, with profit, near my original entry along with high win rate. If strong comeback even more. :)
     
    #35     Sep 24, 2020
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  6. volpri

    volpri

    In theory maybe. In real trading it doesn’t work that way.
     
    #36     Sep 24, 2020
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  7. Tradex

    Tradex

    You mean you are also buying (or shorting) more contracts, when you average down (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, etc...)?
     
    #37     Sep 24, 2020
  8. volpri

    volpri

    BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T HAVE A GIVE UP POINT SET!
     
    #38     Sep 24, 2020
  9. Tradex

    Tradex

    My dear Volpri, I have seen fellow traders lose 20 or 30 times their original stop while using these seemingly harmless averaging down techniques.
     
    #39     Sep 24, 2020
  10. Tradex

    Tradex

    With limit down (or up) moves, the market would never give you a chance to bail out at the price you wanted.

    And next thing you know, you have margin calls coming on all sides.
     
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    #40     Sep 24, 2020