Can I be an "ordained minister" and trade tax-free?

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by J.P., Jan 13, 2014.

  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I think you are confused. The church doesn't have any income therefore it pays no taxes. If you trade, I'm assuming the goal is to make money no? If that's the case, you have to pay taxes on that income. I have no idea why you think they don't pay income taxes.

    And to further clarify, the pastor or priest pays self employment taxes on his personal income that the church itself pays him and usually pays MORE taxes then most people since he has to file as a self employed person.
     
    #11     Jan 14, 2014
  2. J.P.

    J.P.

    You are incorrect; I am ignorant, not confused.

    You say the church doesn't have any income? You lost me there. The major established churches have gargantuan income. I'm guessing you mean that contributions are not classified as income for tax purposes?

    Thanks for the information on self-employment taxes.

    And the point you allude to, that the income churches obtain from investments is taxed, well, that's the piece of information I was looking for and that would nix my plan.

    Regards.
     
    #12     Jan 14, 2014
  3. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    It seems to me that if your church gets 501(c)(3) status, and you hold services during certain hours of the day Monday through Friday (except Holy Days, of course), and the church services are comprised of a series of specific actions performed on a trading platform, then I imagine any profits resulting from the church services would be tax exempt, no?

    :cool:
     
    #13     Jan 14, 2014
  4. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Correct, a contribution is not earned income and the tax code STATES THIS. This is why many parents "gift" money to their children to avoid probate taxes upon death. I suppose a church could sell cookies and that money would be classified as income,but financial offerings from the patrons are not income. This definition extends outside the church. I can gift you money if I wanted to. There is a personal gift allowance for individuals that maxes out your allowed contribution.

    Now regarding the church, the church's board usually pays the minister or pastor. The minister does not pay himself. The board collects the money and votes on how much he should receive given the other expenses the church has. This income has to be declared by the minister or pastor as self employment income and he is responsible fully for his self employment taxes.

    BTW, a simple Google search would have provided you with all this info.
     
    #14     Jan 14, 2014
  5. J.P.

    J.P.

    You're right, I got exhausted on the IRS site and was too tired to think about sorting through the anticipated contradictory information on Goog, but I should have.
     
    #15     Jan 14, 2014
  6. J.P.

    J.P.

    Sounds good to me, but you go first.
     
    #16     Jan 14, 2014
  7. JB3

    JB3

    And then you can be the Chaplain in the prison.
     
    #17     Jan 14, 2014
  8. I almost did this and the rules are that donations are tax free as long as they are under a certain amount. I don't remember the number but it was something like anything under $100 is tax free.

    As for becoming a pastor/priest/con artist. All you have to do is say that God spoke/had a vision/ or whatever you want and that you want to serve him. After that a few hundred bucks and you are free to do as you please. It is great! You can tell families how to think, what they can and can't do and you are the closest thing next to God.

    All of this tax free stuff is given to churches because the IRS views religions as "Providing a valuable service to the community". I guess it keeps the flock inline and keeps people from thinking too much. If I were a lot smarter I would have figured out a way to milk that sacred cow!

    It is a awesome scam that has the approval of everyone.
     
    #18     Jan 14, 2014
  9. eurusdzn

    eurusdzn

    Op,

    Are you Jamie Dimon?
     
    #19     Jan 14, 2014
  10. jsp326

    jsp326

    #20     Jan 15, 2014