Can broker move stocks against daytraders?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Walter, Feb 19, 2016.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Seriously, if you think your broker is manipulating "you" or you think your broker is doing something illegal...

    Its easy to fix your problem...close your account and get a new broker...end of story.

    Yeah, there have been cases of brokers doing something illegal but rarely via the situation you've vaguely described. I'm also shocked you trying to link such a possibility via the difference in your backtesting/paper trading results in comparison to your real money trading results of a thinly traded 5K volume stock.

    Seriously, did your backtesting/paper trading results take into account how thinly traded or illiquid trading a 5K volume stock really behaves ? I seriously doubt or else you've mentioned such along with specific details.

    Get a new broker and stop trading thinly traded stocks that can easily move strongly (down or up) whenever someone mentions its name on a yahoo message board, twitter or at the local barbershop.
     
    #21     Feb 20, 2016
  2. Walter

    Walter

    thanks for advise, any thoughts about first posts?
     
    #22     Feb 20, 2016
  3. Walter

    Walter

    I'm interesting how they do that. There are not a lot of brokers who gives such BP and commissions. I'm not sure that I willn't face with such situation at IB for example, they also use smart routing and internalizing.
     
    #23     Feb 20, 2016
  4. Walter

    Walter

    3-5k is position size. Stock volume is 1mln and more
     
    #24     Feb 20, 2016
  5. botpro

    botpro

    Yes, by sending you fake quotes to force you into panic-selling...
    Of course this is done only for short periods of time, of course when it is most lucrative...
    When you panic and close the position then your position will be overtaken inhouse, and the new owner continues trading it in the real market...
    You have been ripped off of your position...

    Similar ripp offs:
    http://cheatedinvestor.com/brokerfraud/
    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/ameritrade.html
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/binary-trading-firm-ivoryoption-ripped-5277864
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ders-ripping-off-investors-michael-lewis-says
    http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...tors-ripped-off-by-high-frequency-trading.ece
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2016
    #25     Feb 20, 2016
  6. Walter

    Walter

    Does this fake quotes only for my sterling or they are visible for all participants?
     
    #26     Feb 20, 2016
  7. botpro

    botpro

    Guess what...
    Of course individually...

    To be on the safe side, one should have at least 2 datafeeds; one of them should be from another vendor...
     
    #27     Feb 20, 2016
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Regardless, you do have an easy fix. In fact, if you're serious about trading...you should always have a back up broker. Thus, in situations like this, that backup broker can clear things up very fast into if its the brokers or if its just your imagination.
     
    #28     Feb 20, 2016
  9. Use a more mainstream broker, if you're concerned about your broker playing weird games against you.
    But that's highly unlikely though. :confused: -- sounds like you're being paranoid a bit.
    Even if they do, it's a very tiny % of the greater picture of things.
     
    #29     Feb 20, 2016
  10. Walter

    Walter

    And does anybody daytrades with 5k shares in pos at stocks like appl, fb etc? is it bad idea in general?
     
    #30     Feb 21, 2016