Can anyone please explain this paragraph from Reminiscenses?

Discussion in 'Educational Resources' started by kmiklas, Jul 28, 2016.

  1. That was a great book from a different era that will never return.
    He left the family farm at 14 and ran away to NYC to make it on his own. Try that today.
    I learned about bucket shops.
    It was fun to hear about those black gentlemen that eavesdropped on the telegraph messages being recorded, ran to the desk and made trades before they could be posted on the board....lol
    And taking 2 days to drive from Boston to NYC and being blacklisted from NYC because he made too much money......

    Jesse Livermore was a unique individual. It was too bad he had 3 divorces and committed suicide.
     
    #11     Jul 30, 2016
  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Why? He would be dead by now anyway. It's all part of the story. Good with the bad.

    And after all much of the book probably is just that - a story.
     
    #12     Jul 30, 2016
  3. here's the context and the answer to your questions is at the end.
    ""The only way I can hit any of these short sports is
    through their pocketbook. I can't touch him in St. Louis just
    now, but some day I will." And I told McDevitt my grievance.

    "Well," says old Mac, "he tried to connect here in New York
    and couldn't make it, so he's opened a place in Hoboken. The
    word's gone out that there is no limit to the play and that the
    house roll has got the Rock of Gibraltar faded to the shadow of
    a bantam flea."

    "What sort of a place?" I thought he meant pool room.

    "Bucket shop," said McDevitt.
    "Are you sure it's open?"
    "Yes; I've seen several fellows who've told me about it."
    "That's only hearsay," I said. "Can you find out positively
    if it's running, and also how heavy they'll really let a man
    trade?"
    "Sure, sonny," said McDevitt. "I'll go myself tomorrow
    morning, and come back here and tell you."
    He did. It seems Teller was already doing a big business
    and would take all he could get. This was on a Friday. The
    market had been going up all that week -- this was twenty years
    ago, remember -- and it was a cinch the bank statement on
    Saturday would show a big decrease in the surplus reserve.

    That would give the conventional excuse to the big
    room traders to jump on the market and try to shake out some of
    the weak commission-house accounts. There would be the usual
    reactions in the last half hour of the trading, particularly in
    stocks in which the public had been the most active. Those, of
    course, also would be the very stocks that Teller's customers
    would be most heavily long of, and the shop might be glad to see
    some short selling in them. There is nothing so nice as if
    catching the suckers both ways; and nothing so easy with
    one-point margins.

    That Saturday morning I chased over to Hoboken to the
    Teller place. They had fitted up a big customers' room with a
    dandy quotation board and a full force of clerks and a special
    policeman in gray. There were about twenty-five customers.
    I got talking to the manager. He asked me what he could do
    for me and I told him nothing; that a fellow could make much
    more money at the track on account of the odds and the freedom
    to bet your whole roll and stand to win thousands in minutes
    instead of piking for chicken feed in stocks and having to wait
    days, perhaps. He began to tell me how much safer the
    stock-market game was, and how much some of their customers made
    -- you'd have sworn it was a regular broker who actually
    bought and sold your stocks on the Exchange and how if a man
    only traded heavy he could make enough to satisfy anybody. He
    must have thought I was headed for some pool room and he wanted
    a whack at my roll before the ponies nibbled it away, for he
    said I ought to hurry up as the market closed at twelve o'clock
    on Saturdays. That would leave me free to devote the entire
    afternoon to other pursuits. I might have a bigger roll to carry
    to the track with -- if I picked the right stocks.

    I looked as if I didn't believe him, and he kept on buzzing
    me. I was watching the clock. At 11:15 I said, "All right," and
    I began to give him selling orders in various stocks. I put up
    two thousand dollars in cash, and he was very glad to get it. He
    told me he thought I'd make a lot of money and hoped I'd come in
    often.

    It happened just as I figured. The traders hammered the
    stocks in which they figured they would uncover the most stops,
    and, sure enough, prices slid off. I closed out my trades just
    before the rally of the last five minutes on the usual traders'
    covering.

    There was fifty-one hundred dollars coming to me. I went to
    cash in.
    "
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    the decrease in reserves means that they will jump on the maket to push it DOWN - so short it and then after they shake out all the little traders who only have a 1 point margin they ramp it back up.

    Jesse anticipates this
    sells
    covers his shorts and closes out before the rally to the bell.
     
    #13     Jul 30, 2016
  4. "The game of speculation is the most uniformly fascinating game in the world. But it is not a game for the stupid, the mentally lazy, the person of inferior emotional balance, or the get-rich-quick adventurer. They will die poor. ”

    — Jesse Livermore, How To Trade In Stocks
     
    #14     Jul 30, 2016
    spread'em likes this.
  5. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Yes! This is the answer that I was hoping for. My confusion was due to misunderstanding these two phrases:

    1. jump on the market. I misunderstood this idiom to mean jumping on an opportunity, as in, "I just overheard that there's free beer at McCalloughans from 5-7pm tonight. We'd better jump on it!" The meaning here is more accurately described as suppress the market.
    2. big room traders. Here I thought big room traders meant biggest traders in the room; e.g. wealthiest traders. Here, he means traders working for the house.

    So, since the market went up all week, the house surplus was going to be low, and the house was not happy about it. Traders working for the house ("big room traders") would short, to manipulate the price down ("jump on the market") for the popular stocks. This would wipe those with narrow (1-point) margins who were holding long.

    Thank you. I'll be sure to keep you in the loop when my next big tip comes along. ;)
     
    #15     Jul 31, 2016
  6. Humpy

    Humpy

    Become an accountant and get all the inside info for free. Or if you don't fancy 5 years of hard, boring work then get a job in an accountant's office clearing up and run a book there.
     
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    #16     Jul 31, 2016
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I vaguely remember that part of the book.

    Basically the real traders would work with bucket shops to blow out
    I think big room traders refer to the large traders on the street (today it would be the guys at Goldman and citadel).

    Teller was a bucket shop who was effectively betting against his clients (like fxcm). He wants the real traders to move the stock prices around so that they create a frenzy in his bucket shop (people placing more bets) and eventually everyone gets stopped out.

    If I remember correctly Teller is a little corrupt and tries to move a print on the nyse to stop out Livermore.
     
    #17     Jul 31, 2016