I like that. You are quite creative there Mr Nobert. I've been inspired. Politics aside, if they could find a place for it, maybe use laser jets for the water vs a standard fountainhead... they could build the fountain on Wall Street and have 253 jets, each representing one day for the prior 12 months... with laser lights embedded below and off to the side in the structure to properly illuminate each individual candle at the appropriate height for each given day. A living menagerie of red and green columns that would have to change daily. Put that Wall Street bull statue in the middle. Hell, arrange the jets in a circle around the bull and align the whole thing with the vernal equinox... That'll really make an artistic statement. About what... I have no idea.
So first off, absolutely nothing in that study, which I'll bet any amount of money you didn't actually read, indicated that medical errors have cause more deaths since Obama Care, which was your assertion. Your assertion remains not only completely unsupported, but there is a significant body of quantitative evidence, which you conveniently ignored responding too since it showed that you were completely and utterly incorrect, showing that increased mortality is in fact not in any way caused by an increase in accidental deaths but instead by suicide, chronic liver disease and cirrhosis, and illegal drug overdoses. No amount of tortured logic can lead to the conclusion that any of those deaths were caused by an increase in medical errors, let alone medical errors caused by more people being insured! So let's be absolutely clear here: You claimed increased availability of medical care is the cause of increased mortality and that is completely and utterly false, not to mention simply absurd! Obviously you realized that since you decided to pivot to this Hopkins study, which you didn't read, which has some pretty remarkable conclusions if their methodology is correct. Note that their methodology didn't actually measure medical errors that caused deaths, they used a pretty controversial inference which pretty much no-one else in the field agrees with. If you took their numbers at face value it would mean that over half of all deaths in a hospital are due to a medical error! That's pretty absurd on the face of it, and no study that traces down actual deaths by medical error in a sample, for example this one (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2720915) shows anything even remotely close to that number. The actual measured number of deaths from adverse effects of medical treatment are somewhere around 5,000 per year. That's compared to just under 50,000 deaths by the number 10 cause, suicide. So yeah, you heard something in your echo chamber, you searched for confirming information and read an abstract, and come up with something that doesn't even make sense on its face let alone support your original assertion. All to avoid facing the obvious fact that your overall assertion that increasing medical care increases mortality is patently absurd. If you want to actually read that study you cited and discuss the specifics in it I'd be happy to do so. If you're not....well that says everything that needs to be said about you and your assertions.
I never claimed increased availability of medical care is the cause of increased mortality. I said if there is an increase in the amount of people seeking treatment, you need more staff to take care of them or you end up with overworked doctors and nurses that increased the likelyhood of medical errors. I also stated Obamacare was probably not the ONLY factor for decreased life expectancy, but it absolutely was a major event that happened that coincided with decreased life expectancy. To deny what is right in front you is foolishness, I don't care if it hurts your feelings and makes a president you like look bad. If you cant comprehend basic English or hold a thought in your head of what someone else said without changing it, I'm done with this conversation. It's pretty obvious you are a toxic person so please don't waste your time responding anymore. I know I wont.
[QUOTE="dozu888, post: 4977780, member: 7696]”you can track his activities - he sleeps 4 hours a day and works his butt off... i wish i have half his energy at that age.... you can't run such a schedule on adderall.[/QUOTE] Yeah, Trump works his butt off. 80 tweets and retweets yesterday. Real productive day at the office....
Increased in demand for medical staff wasn't a factor at all in increased mortality. You've provided absolutely zero, zip, nada evidence that it was, while several of us have provided the actual quantitatively supported reasons for the increase in mortality. You seem blissfully unaware that correlation does not imply causation, one of the most basic tenants of statistics, a field I fear you're also blissfully unaware of (The ACC dominated Division I basketball while Obama was President, obviously he caused that with his love of Duke using your logic, right?) And you steadfastly refuse to believe the massive body of quantitative evidence showing what ACTUALLY caused an increase in mortality because it didn't fit your political views, so you made something up instead apparently based on your outstanding ability to see "what is in front of you". That kind of logic is what led people to believe the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it, after all, to deny that when it's right in front of you is foolishness, amiright? They called the times when when we adhered to your mode of thinking instead of using data the Dark Ages for a reason! It is truly enlightening that my insistence on quantitative, fact based assessment makes me a "toxic person" in your book. Again says everything that needs to be said about you and your viewpoint doesn't it?
Yeah, Trump works his butt off. 80 tweets and retweets yesterday. Real productive day at the office....[/QUOTE] Communicating with the people is not part of the work? Only if the fake left media could be anywhere near 50/50 he’d be able to focus on what you call real work. Unfortunately too many are brainwashed out there
Are his tweets government related communications with the people? His job is not to tweet, he has a press secretary and public media office, let them do their job and he should do his when he is not golfing or eating.
Thank God the info is getting out! <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will be there in two weeks, The Southern White House! <a href="https://t.co/2djJrzAEfZ">https://t.co/2djJrzAEfZ</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="">December 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yes. Just a self indulgent self obsessed paranoid wasted day of productivity. Even found the time to tweet a 16yr old girl and tell her to chill and watch a movie. Advice from a 72 yr old man who tweeted and retweeted 80 times in one day. He’s only the President of the United States, nothing more important to do I’m sure. Maybe fix those toilets that need to be flushed 15 times.