Can a Graduate Degree from Oxford U help me get a salaried position in trading?

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by FreedomPhighter, May 29, 2003.

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  1. JT47319

    JT47319

    I’m unsure as to how it’s done overseas, but here student loan interest is deductible. Defer the loan as much as humanly possible and elect to pay only interest. The interest deduction should afford you a tax advantage at the end of the year while allowing you to free up capital for better use, like trading your account.

    Whether or not you were the best trader is somewhat irrelevant. The fact is, you still lost money for your firm. It becomes substantially different when you start to trade your own money. If you can survive your first year and become profitable, than you will probably be able to fulfill whatever potential your manager saw in you. As it is, your account is red. That's all that matters.

    In several of the Market Wizards books, many of the traders became analysts or brokers. These are salaried positions allowing you to maintain a lifestyle while building your own account.

    Whatever education you have is again somewhat irrelevant because it has no direct impact on your ability or trading skills. You had on the job training and experience, but as you pointed out, you lost money. Your manager’s opinion of you might help you get in the door (you did ask him for a letter of recommendation, right?).

    Anyways, you can always go to hedgeworld.com, register for their two week free trial, and go to their message boards. Positions as analysts and traders are available, but from my inspection, the trading positions required experience.

    Other options would be to directly contact the big name firms like Goldman Sachs to see if you can get into their program to become a market maker, specialist, or whathaveyou.
     
    #71     May 29, 2003
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    #72     May 29, 2003
  3. Thank you very much for the response. The only skills I hope to obtain in graduate school are related to discipline and analysis. I hope my education will help me get a foot in the door so I can be in a position to become a good trader.
     
    #73     May 29, 2003
  4. If you feel like you want to hit me you are likely expressing dissappointment with your own accomplishments. Nothing I have said on here has been offensive.....all defensive. If you don't see that, then you are either dumb or blind by envy. In either case, you are to be pitied, not me.

    Respectfully,
     
    #74     May 29, 2003

  5. hmmm, if i believe what i said? It is clear that I was just stating a fact; simply recollecting my experience, albeit very little experience, with trading. So do I believe the truths that I have spoken which make references to what has already occurred in the past? Well of course...lol
     
    #75     May 29, 2003
  6. here is some brief advice:

    1. Ignore the negative posters here.. What you did was a little annoying (posting in every thread) but it was a newbie mistake...

    Dont apologize for your background, many here are bitter towards Ivy leagers and love to boast that they make shitty traders... some do some dont..

    2. Contact First New York securites. They pay a salary ($45K about) and only look at top school grads... They are a bit arrogant in the interview process so expect it if you get one..

    3. Also contact your alumni development. Wall street jobs go to those have contacts. It isnt always fair, but that is how the game works....

    4. the job maket now is tough. Since you are young, you can always leave your job for a better one once things turn around.
     
    #76     May 29, 2003
  7. Get that education first big guy. It may not make you a better
    trader, but It"ll open a hell of a lot of doors. This thread reminded
    me of one of my favorite quotes.


    When I first came down here, I was Mr. Big Ego. I had a law degree and here were all these ex-cops and truck drivers and people with 200-word vocabularies trading in the pits. I figured I'd make a killing, right? With this competition, how could you lose? Then I got the shit kicked out of me. Then I got the shit kicked out of me again. You know what I've learned down here? Humility. Discipline. You come into this business with any sense of superiority, and you're dead.

    Marty Dickman, corn trader
    A Fool and His Money
    John Rothchild, 1997, p. 184


    Best of luck !
     
    #77     May 29, 2003
  8. bzod99

    bzod99

    Please promise us that at the close you'll tell us who you are, and your regular ET screen name. This has been a somewhat interesting diversion, but I can not believe that you are truly this obnoxious and/or clueless. Great flame thread though, so congrats on that...
     
    #78     May 29, 2003
  9. After four months of searching for a trading position with salary, I got one offer. I wasn't given much of a choice. I have held all along that I am going to oxford so that I might quench my intellectual curiosity not so that I will get a trading position. The point of the post was to find out if trading firms will likely respect my Oxford degree and whether Oxford can get my foot in the door (or, to be more accurate, doors). Thanks for the reply
     
    #79     May 29, 2003
  10. Thanks for the opinion. I appreciate it
     
    #80     May 29, 2003
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