Calling it a day after reaching a profit target?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Laissez Faire, Apr 9, 2011.

  1. DGunz

    DGunz

    Hey did you ever think that small PF and low statistical confidence is your problem? What about not trading unless your live results can offer what you want. If you are worried about breaking even during the latter part of the day, perhaps you need to examine your numbers. You might be running a break even strat.

    This information has been on ET since forever, regarding if you should trade or not; it depends on your expectancy.

    Are you discretionay trader may I ask? Im just saying that the most common failure combination is discretionary ES trading. Not to say you cant do it.
     
    #11     Apr 9, 2011
  2. Yes.

    From a mathematical and mechanical point of view, this is true. If you flip a coin 10 times, it is possible to get 10 heads in a row, even though the probability of heads/tails is still 50%. But if you flip a coin thousands or millions of times, you will end up with heads and tails equally distributed. It`s called the law of large numbers.

    It`s the same with any trading system. You might have a 70% win probability, but that does not mean that your next 7 trades will be winners followed by 3 losers. You don`t know the distribution in advance. But with a large sample of trades, you may realize that 70% win probability in the long run.

    However, this assumes mechanical execution, IMO.

    With discretionary trading, and especially day trading, IMO, your recent wins and losses will affect your edge (by disturbing your psychological state).

    For me, taking a hit or a win, does not prevent me from executing the next trade. That`s good. On the contrary, I tend to over trade and take too many trades. If I win, I get less selective about my trades and get greedy. If I lose, I tend to want it back.

    Actually, there have been several days recently where I was in the red and fought myself back to the green.

    I understand and respect all your arguments, but I still think this might be a good idea. Remember, I will still be following the markets in the simulator and try to trade like I would real money. In time, I can taper off and start executing every trade.

    Baby steps? :)
     
    #12     Apr 9, 2011
  3. Why don't you automate?

    ES

     
    #13     Apr 9, 2011
  4. Yeah, I make it a point to not watch my P&L and it is not visible at a glance. However, it`s not too hard to figure out where I`m at, since it is fairly simple mathematics that I execute in my head without even thinking about it :p

    That said, there have been days where I was not really sure about my P&L before checking it at the end of the day, because I was in the zone and trading. I would know that I were ahead, but not exactly by how much.
     
    #14     Apr 9, 2011
  5. Actually, I`ve been thinking about this a lot. Especially during a self-destructive and self-loathing period I went through after my last losing streak. Luckily, it only lasted for a few days :)

    I do think that my analytical abilities are good enough that I should get ahead in the long run if I follow the plan. Not saying that I can`t improve, but I`m definitely not trading from the hip when I`m trading well.

    Yes, I`m a discretionary trader.
     
    #15     Apr 9, 2011
  6. I actually agree with limiting the number of trades per day. I don't believe that there are tons of winning trades. Instead there may be 4 good setups per day.

    Now if you have say a stop limit of $ 300, that means you may only be able to take 1 - 2 winning or losing trades before quitting.

    However, if after that you could trade in Sim to gain more confidence.

    You could also look at scaling in and out as part of taking more trades.

    After that you could look to sim trade to see how you would have done the rest of the day.
     
    #16     Apr 9, 2011
  7. gkotopou

    gkotopou

    Lays, read this line and just think about it for a minute. Do you see? It is in the back of your mind you should only be 'thinking' about executing the plan. trading is easy, but losing money is hard. someone suggested automating which may or may not suit you but could help you with this.
     
    #17     Apr 9, 2011
  8. That's your problem. You need one of the set it and forget it systems used by the by the hundreds of profitable traders here.

    Just turn it on at 9:30 , and count the money as it rolls in.
     
    #18     Apr 10, 2011
  9. KingDong130 Is right,

    You should implement a percentage that you are willing to give back. A business won't stop making their product simply because they made money on it. Take a break, walk away, go outside--the market will be there when you get back.
     
    #19     Apr 10, 2011
  10. Well, I really don`t have any knowledge about automation at this point and I`m not even sure how I could automate it as I don`t use any indicators in my trading.

    This is something I would love to do in the future, but currently I think I need to work on my market understanding, before I can make an automated system from my methodology.

    You`re right. My focus should be on the market, not my PnL. Not always easy to do :)

    Yeah, this might be the best solution. For example, if I`m up 5 points, I can still trade, but will not go below 2 points, giving me 1-2 trades.

    Thanks KingDong :)
     
    #20     Apr 10, 2011