Call Out Your Potential Option Trade and Let's Discuss it

Discussion in 'Options' started by jeffalvinson, Apr 25, 2016.

  1. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru


    Below is todays quotes for LUV and the May20 47.50 calls.

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    :)
     
    #11     Apr 25, 2016
  2. Nice quote boxes OG!
    Did you notice in the Quote boxes that the stock went up (intraday) only +.40 ( < +1% ) higher than it previous closing price of 47.25, but the option went up (intraday) +.51 (+49%) higher than its previous closing price of 1.04.
    Something unusual is going on here and so far, I like it!

    Jeff
     
    #12     Apr 25, 2016
  3. I want to short as many Dec 2018 SPX 100 puts for $0.20 as I can without getting margin called, because they're 100% guaranteed to expire worthless. Why would anyone ever buy them? You can't hedge against nuclear armageddon.
     
    #13     Apr 26, 2016
  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    My I ask how did you hedge as a MM? And how did you make money if you were forced to take the other side no matter how the underlying or volatility moved?

    Thanks.
     
    #14     Apr 26, 2016
  5. rmorse

    rmorse Sponsor

    Ever since market making has been automated, I set up my trades to auto hedge with the underlying. The hard part right now is not that you you take the other side when vol moves. Those trades tend to be good. The problem now is that someone will always be faster than you and their system will see that stock prices has moved a fraction of a second before you can change your quotes and you get picked off a lot when equity prices jump or fall quickly. The biggest issue is that there are too many option exchanges so you get too little of the order flow at the exchange you trade at. Also, a great deal of the spreads and large orders are crossed. It is no long a good model for local traders.

    Back before automated dissemination of quotes, when many options were single listed,it was a great business with a lot of edge, just much less volume.
     
    #15     Apr 26, 2016
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  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    So I looked at the block prints for this transaction and I think it was a 1x2 4/22/16 44.5C vs 2 May16 47.5C. Looking at the initiation of that 4/22/16 Trade (done on 4/8) it looks like the guy bot the April and sold it on 4/22. So my guess is that he's rolling his gains to continue to be long this stock. He may not necessarily be buying a specific event but perhaps he's protecting his downside while still maintaining delta in the name. Stock has had a strong run and it's possible he's afraid of it turning.

    Vols kinda cheap by historical standards which would indicate it's a stock replacement rather than a speculative bet.

    How you position around that, I am not sure.
     
    #16     Apr 26, 2016
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  7. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thanks for your reply. By the way I found some write-up that said often MM hedged with a future contract. Is that true?

    I know I can and should hedge when my trade becomes profitable for protection. Realistically, can a retail guy like me hedge at the start and what benefit if any?

    Thanks again.
     
    #17     Apr 26, 2016
  8. rmorse

    rmorse Sponsor

    It is my expectation that equity market makers hedge with that equity, but Cash settled index options are hedged with the related future. Eg SPX is hedged with ES.
     
    #18     Apr 26, 2016
  9. Unusual Option Volume yesterday (4/25/2016) on a stock that trades low option volume:
    DDD (3D System Corp) June 18 Put (exp. June 17) Symbol DDD160617P00018000
    Volume: 3,259 / Open Interest: 544 / Closed at 2.02 on 4/25/2016
    Today (4/26/2016) the majority of the Volume moved into O.I. 3,195, so it was held.
    Checked the usual screens for Spreads, Straddles & Strangles, news events and earnings.
    DDD passes the screening tests.
    I noticed this morning the stock has been downgraded the day after the put volume spiked yesterday (and was held in O.I. this morning). Interesting.

    Jeff
     
    #19     Apr 26, 2016
  10. You shouldn't be looking for the next big thing in trading to trade :wtf:;
    you should instead have a consistent, steady thing that you like to trade.;)
     
    #20     Apr 26, 2016
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