Calendar Spreads

Discussion in 'Journals' started by gatorplease, Nov 12, 2005.

  1. started an ES OTM Call Calendar spread today

    +1 OCT ES 1305 C ($28.5, STP LMT at 24.00, 25.5 trigger)
    -1 AUG EW 1305 C (exp 8/31) $7.5
    (note ES futures about 2pts above SPX)

    Game Plan:

    Rangebound: With the EW exp on 8/31, there is good time decay with position theta=~+.3

    Upside: Since it is OTM at 1305, a grind up will benefit from time decay; the net position is still slightly delta positive. For a quick breakout to the upside, I'll rollup the short strike and the STP LMT, maintaining a slightly positive to neutral delta position.

    Downside: I set a STP LMT at the long call triggered at 25.5, LMT at 24. This leaves twice the b/a spread (.75) to close the trade in case of a rapid drop. The 25.5 figure is based on the option price on 8/16, below the current channel. The idea is that on the way down, the short call will minimize the 4.5pt drop in the long.

    comments please
    many thx
     
    #431     Aug 22, 2006
  2. cdowis

    cdowis

    Oct/Sep 52.5 put calendar in COST at .65

    It was interesting that the mark was .70 and got this fill immediately as if it were at market. Closed at .60, the deltas are against me, at 12, so it's a risky position by itself. However I have a 1260/1240 SP (futures) put spread to balance it off.
     
    #432     Aug 23, 2006
  3. Have any of you ever tried an aggressive ratio calendar spread? For example, with 10 days left, buying 3 backmonth longs, 2 current month shorts to keep DN and then scalping high theta. Could also sell the short at a different strike than the long to more closely match the deltas. At low IV this would give favorable Vega, Theta risk. Gamma risk and slight delta changes could be hedged via SPY. Any thoughts?
    many thx
     
    #433     Aug 23, 2006
  4. Interesting to note that this spread stayed perfectly hedged all the way to 1292 futures (about 1290 SPX). I left it on and canceled the STP LMT on the long. A 1305 +/-10pt range would be nice. We'll see.

    +1 OCT ES 1305 C ($28.5, STP LMT at 24.00, 25.5 trigger)
    -1 AUG EW 1305 C (exp 8/31) $7.5
    (note ES futures about 2pts above SPX)
     
    #434     Aug 23, 2006
  5. Interesting that you chose an ITM...do you plan to close at Sep exp? Thanks for sharing. COST has come off the highs...do you think there is more downside?
     
    #435     Aug 23, 2006
  6. in the watching paint dry category...all those following/trading this play. I took a peak today at the roll SEP/OCT of the 55's and the credit would be .65. There is still .30 time/extrinsic value so letting it sit for at least one more week. Anyone else rolling or closing? Its been a very nice little play thus far....
     
    #436     Aug 27, 2006
  7. I agree. So far, it is playing well. Here is what I got on XLE:

    06/30/2006: BTO: DEC/SEP 61/68c and 63/56p @ $0.05 (debit)

    08/11/2006: RLL: SEP/SEP5 58/57c and 56/57p @ 1.55 (credit)


    I am now considering rolling SEP5 to OCT—and of course there are a number of possibilities. For instance, I can get now SEP5/OCT 57/57c and 57/57p for $1.05 (credit), but I hope I’ll be able to get on it a bit more ($1.5) later on this week. We will wait and see.

    Regards,

    Ben


     
    #437     Aug 27, 2006
  8. Very nice DD Ben:) I think a week will give us a little more (without being greedy of course:p
     
    #438     Aug 27, 2006
  9. dqtmg2

    dqtmg2

    Ben,

    I was trying to look at your position and am wondering if there were some typos in your post. Was the original Sep short call the 58 instead of 68 and the original Dec long put the 53 instead of 63? I trade DDs on XLE as well, so I am very interested in how you set them up.

    Tim
     
    #439     Aug 28, 2006
  10. Tim

    My bad.:mad: The correct numbers are:

    06/30/2006: BTO: DEC/SEP 61/58c and 53/56p @ $0.05 (debit)

    08/11/2006: RLL: SEP/SEP5 58/57c and 56/57p @ 1.55 (credit)

    --sorry about it.

    Ben



     
    #440     Aug 28, 2006