Calendar Spreads

Discussion in 'Journals' started by gatorplease, Nov 12, 2005.

  1. by buying Mar selling back months tho arn't you really buying the much higher vols. So if vols go down after reporting you would lose out wouldn't you?
     
    #181     Feb 23, 2006
  2. not really , both front and back month vols are inflated , BUT back month have a higher vega (May more then double than March) , so if March vols will lose 20bp , but May 10 its an even $ amount. The rest is in the stock move. Maybe I'm not explaining it right.
     
    #182     Feb 23, 2006
  3. skanan

    skanan

    Thanks! I got it at MAR/MAY 62.5 call at $1.85 credit and Mar/Aug 62.5 call at $4.00 credit.

    The IV data on the call side is here:
    Mar 58.37%, May 44.39%, Aug 41.88%

    Gamma for Mar/May is 3.95 and Mar/Aug is $3.5

    I project that if IV Mar drop 20% and May drop 10%, the stock has to move from $63 to $57 or $68 to break even. I guess I underestimate the vol lost from the back month.

    I project that if IV Mar drop 20% and Aug drop 15%, the stock has to move from $63 to $56.5 or $75 to break even. This number does not look right to me.
     
    #183     Feb 23, 2006
  4. skanan

    skanan

    Do you mean Marc vol will loose 20bp and may will loose 10bp ? This will put IV of both of them about 3x %.

    Or do you mean Mar vol will loose 20bp and May 10 will loose certain amount of vol which in dollar term is equivalent of Mar $ lost in vol ?

    Thanks,
     
    #184     Feb 23, 2006
  5. both months will lose the SAME $[cents] amount
     
    #185     Feb 23, 2006
  6. No...your doing fine...thats right, I'd forgotten about VEGA!
     
    #186     Feb 23, 2006
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    #187     Feb 23, 2006
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    #188     Feb 24, 2006
  9. skanan

    skanan

    Here is the result after earning:

    The IV of Mar 62.5 call is 40.15% loss of 18%
    IV of May is 40.54% (only about 4% drop). IV of Aug is 40.68% (1.2% drop). Mar 62.5 call is now $2.75, May $5.05, and Aug $7.5. The RC Marc/May lost is $0.4/contract. The Mar/Aug lost is $0.75/contract.

    I learn a lot from this paper trade. I knew this scenario would put me in quite a good lost but did not expect MRVL will stay the same after earning.

    Another one I followed was NTES. Since I did not do the paper trade, I just recorded the IV of and price of 75 put.

    Before Earning: Mar 75P IV 67%, $4.7, APR 75P IV 51%, $5.6

    After Earning: Mar 75P IV 41%, $0.30, APR 75P IV 38.86%, $1.15

    The RC on NTES would generate credit $0.9 and can be closed for $0.85 debit. So this trade still does not make money even if the stock moved $10 today !.
     
    #189     Feb 24, 2006
  10. MRVL ended up as complete disaster trade ; everything went wrong.
    The biggest disappointment was collapse in MAY vols by only 4% , would this collapse be at 10% (as expected) , this trade be at break even WITHOUT any change in price.
    Now you also now why I enter all/most of those trades when Front month is < 15 d before expirations. If this would of be a case , a premium on the May call would be less by 70c .
    Good luck with your future Rc ( if any )
     
    #190     Feb 24, 2006