Calendar spreads

Discussion in 'Options' started by ChrisM, Aug 18, 2003.

Calendar spread is...

  1. Very good strategy

    37 vote(s)
    62.7%
  2. Good for moving sideways markets only

    31 vote(s)
    52.5%
  3. Too little profit strategy

    15 vote(s)
    25.4%
  4. Losing strategy

    8 vote(s)
    13.6%
  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    With short calendars you want the stock to explode. I want the stock to be as volatile as possible so I can trade the front month gamma. I will do this leading up to the event that will cause the VOL to implode. Let me give you an example. This was a while ago. I think last December. MEDI had an FDA meeting and the stock was around 25 or so and trading all over the place. I was long the dec straddles at 25 and short the July's or maybe even Oct. Can't remember. Anyway the VOL ran up to 130 to 150 from about the 60 area. I was scalping the gamma like crazy. This stock was up and down every day on speculation that they would get their approval or not. The day of the meeting they got the approval, the stock moved up maybe a dollar or two and the VOL came in from 150 to 65 in one day in which I was short a shitload of Vega.

    Your risk in this strategy is obviously being short Vega so VOL could keep going up which is why I would rather scale into rather then just put on the position. Also, I would choose plays that I could identify the reason for the VOL run up, such as FDA meetings or earnings reports. That way you have a target date. If the stock stops moving, you will lose on your theta since you won't be able to scalp the gamma however the Vol should come in if it stays quiet for too long. I mean obviously you have to do a lot of these and not put your whole account in one play. If you did 20 to 30 and even then still used a small percentage of your capital then I think your risk to reward would be outstanding.
     
    #31     Oct 12, 2003
  2. While vol has stayed low for a lot longer than many of us thought, this is still a dangerous market to be short vega. Thus, to offset my core vega neg OEX iron condor positions, I've been contemplating putting on a few OTM calendars on some select low IV percentile names (there are plenty to choose from here) as a "quasi-dispersion" trade.
     
    #32     Oct 12, 2003
  3. Maverick74 wrote:
    Same thing happened last month with VRTY day before earnings, IV went from 50's to 100's put side.

    Hello Dollars wrote:
    It's a matter of selection and being a trader when you boil it all down.
     
    #33     Oct 12, 2003
  4. Awesome discussions in this thread not like the pro firms section with all the mud slinging, etc.

    My main point being that a short cal is better from a risk managment standpoint than long since if you are wrong in long cal, there is very little you can do to repair it but short cal you can gamma scalp, or take it off. if you put short cal on high vega 90th %tile above and the IV chart rolled over it is a high % trade.

    Now if we can only get market maker margins w/.o joining an LLC who needs 200K. We'd all be buying the new 5 series in cash !!!!
     
    #34     Oct 12, 2003
  5. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I am currently inquiring about it at Echo. They trade options with market maker margins.
     
    #35     Oct 12, 2003
  6. Good luck. They are good people. They certainly have the back office to handle options since they clear thru Pax. Use Instaquote for options.
     
    #36     Oct 12, 2003
  7. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    And they use Micro-hedge as their software which everyone on the floor uses.
     
    #37     Oct 12, 2003
  8. Trajan

    Trajan

    Unfortunately, it isn't integrated into their feeds. You need to get another data provider, ATfinancial or Reuters, as well as input your trades manually. The guy I talked to last week said they have some other software, but doesn't do as much as Microhedge, costs less though(I forget what it is called).

    As far as time spreads go, I agree that they make the most sense on a case by case basis. There simply isn't enough edge to justify me doing these on a regular basis in the normal group of stocks I trade. The position size needed would be too large and take up to much capital for the expected return. If I was auto-quting across all strikes and months that would be one thing, but I'm limited by how many order I can manage and exchange rules. They do pop up though as Mav describes it. If I go with a firm where I get MM haircut and find suitable software for managing my positions, I would probably look a lot harder for these.
     
    #38     Oct 12, 2003
  9. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Well, like I said through a previous post, I believe Echo gives guys haircuts on option trading. I will look into this further. Those short calendars I was referring to are really only effective with market maker margins due to the intensive capital requirement.
     
    #39     Oct 12, 2003
  10. Trajan

    Trajan

    Your haircut from Echo would be the exact same as a MM receives from PAX, 20% up or down. The guy seemed very accomodating on this point, which is a good thing. As long as you keep that number within your equity, you're golden. My only concern is with the platform. I would end up spending almost a $1,000 dollars a month on software, including Microhedge, and still not get the functionality I want. Maybe, it doesn't exist for what I'm willing to pay. Right now, I use their echo II product(INquote with another firm as a retail cs) which is acceptable, mainly because it is fast but doesn't offer anything to help me trade options and there doesn't seem to be anything to plug into it either.

    The money thing seems kind of laughable considering I was paying nearly $10,000 a month to lease a seat just a couple of years ago.
     
    #40     Oct 12, 2003