buying VIX calls here

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by grizzlybull, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. Trader13

    Trader13

    The VIX complex is confusing. Just to help bring some clarity to this, how much did you pay for these calls? What was the delta of the call?
     
    #21     Dec 21, 2016
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    #22     Dec 21, 2016
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  3. JackRab

    JackRab

    VIX index will drop below 8 over the next week since nothing will happen... unless some terrorist attack happens...

    That's the index... futures will be something else... Vix March will stay around this level (17) maybe drop a little bit.
     
    #23     Dec 21, 2016
  4. JackRab

    JackRab

    He bought march 11 calls... that's trading at 6 with delta of about 70?
     
    #24     Dec 21, 2016
  5. Trader13

    Trader13

    In any case, buying ITM March calls or futures is a good trade. I expect VIX will get a nice bump in Jan with profit-taking on stocks that typically occurs after a strong bull market.
     
    #25     Dec 21, 2016
  6. I think it is a little extreme to think the index will hit 8 by next week. Vols can be bid slightly even if market is moving up slowly. Proof of this is the fact that the curve is well above spot especially further out.
     
    #26     Dec 21, 2016
  7. CyJackX

    CyJackX

    For anybody who doesn't actually know what the fuss is about here with the vets chuckling at this guy, VIX is quite peculiar because it is not traded on its index directly. All options and ETFs are derived from VIX futures. It doesn't matter what the VIX is now, it matters what the forward contract is doing, and what price that contract is likely to settle at. As they've mentioned, VIX is currently 16-17, while the index is 11. Everybody between now and March is already anticipating a little bit more volatility once the year starts. And since VIX mean-reverts downwards, OP likely is just going to piss away time premium, and possibly even intrinsic, since his call is ITM. The March contract has to get close to closing above 17 to get profitable, and a spike too early won't do it, since the VIX will just revert down, and the futures and options markets reflect this knowledge.
     
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    #27     Dec 21, 2016
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  8. JackRab

    JackRab

    QUOTE="El OchoCinco, post: 4379312, member: 35483"]I think it is a little extreme to think the index will hit 8 by next week. Vols can be bid slightly even if market is moving up slowly. Proof of this is the fact that the curve is well above spot especially further out.[/QUOTE]

    Check what @CyJackX says...

    The curve doesn't mean much this coming week... I'm just saying since it's holidays coming up, VIX spot index is likely to drop... not the whole curve.
     
    #28     Dec 22, 2016
  9. Palindrome

    Palindrome

    If I open up a bar one day, it will be called THE VIX
     
    #29     Dec 22, 2016
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  10. Check what @CyJackX says...

    The curve doesn't mean much this coming week... I'm just saying since it's holidays coming up, VIX spot index is likely to drop... not the whole curve.[/QUOTE]

    My point is that if the futures VIX is bid enough to hold up I think the same will be true for the vols in the options which the VIX comes from. The more we really the bigger concern for a drop so vols wills stay bid and I do not see VIX getting below 10 by next week with such light volume. The curve sometimes can guide you on VIX though rarely the other way around.
     
    #30     Dec 22, 2016