Buying puts safer than calls

Discussion in 'Options' started by Trader.Fighter, Aug 3, 2013.

Buying puts safer than calls because of downtrend speed

  1. Yes - Because price drops faster than it rises, therefore, less time decay.

    8 vote(s)
    40.0%
  2. Equal risk

    12 vote(s)
    60.0%
  1. Specfically in reference to time decay.

    What is your vote ?

    Thank you for participating.
     
  2. elite74

    elite74

    Puts cost more so that is factored into the price.

    ex. SPY @170.9

    AUG 16

    166 P costs 0.23 (4.9 otm)
    175 C costs 0.12 (4.1 otm)
     
  3. Just for fun, here are some quick SPY stats. They are the percent changes from 3rd Fridays for the last 10 years. If doing Condors, keep in mind the marked, greater-than-5% moves:

    Code:
    Third Friday to third Friday changes (at Close) for SPY
    
    Start   20030919  Price:  103.67
    
    20031017,  104.26,   %Chg:  0.07
    20031121,  104.21,   %Chg:  -0.05
    20031219,  108.89,   %Chg:  4.49
    20040116,  114.23,   %Chg:  4.90
    20040220,  114.88,   %Chg:  0.57
    20040319,  111.06,   %Chg:  -3.33
    20040416,  113.83,   %Chg:  2.49
    20040521,  109.81,   %Chg:  -3.53
    20040618,  113.63,   %Chg:  3.48
    20040716,  110.70,   %Chg:  -2.58
    20040820,  110.47,   %Chg:  -0.21
    20040917,  113.15,   %Chg:  2.43
    20041015,  111.26,   %Chg:  -1.67
    20041119,  117.42,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]5.54[/color][/b]
    20041217,  119.44,   %Chg:  1.72
    20050121,  116.78,   %Chg:  -2.23
    20050218,  120.38,   %Chg:  3.08
    20050318,  118.53,   %Chg:  -1.54
    20050415,  114.15,   %Chg:  -3.70
    20050520,  119.12,   %Chg:  4.35
    20050617,  121.36,   %Chg:  1.88
    20050715,  122.84,   %Chg:  1.22
    20050819,  122.46,   %Chg:  -0.31
    20050916,  123.50,   %Chg:  0.85
    20051021,  118.12,   %Chg:  -4.36
    20051118,  125.13,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]5.93[/color][/b]
    20051216,  126.35,   %Chg:  0.97
    20060120,  125.96,   %Chg:  -0.31
    20060217,  128.81,   %Chg:  2.26
    20060317,  130.62,   %Chg:  1.41
    20060421,  131.15,   %Chg:  0.41
    20060519,  127.10,   %Chg:  -3.09
    20060616,  124.65,   %Chg:  -1.93
    20060721,  123.94,   %Chg:  -0.57
    20060818,  130.69,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]5.45[/color][/b]
    20060915,  131.95,   %Chg:  0.96
    20061020,  136.84,   %Chg:  3.71
    20061117,  140.42,   %Chg:  2.62
    20061215,  142.34,   %Chg:  1.37
    20070119,  142.82,   %Chg:  0.34
    20070216,  145.73,   %Chg:  2.04
    20070316,  138.53,   %Chg:  -4.94
    20070420,  148.62,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]7.28[/color][/b]
    20070518,  152.62,   %Chg:  2.69
    20070615,  153.06,   %Chg:  0.29
    20070720,  153.50,   %Chg:  0.29
    20070817,  144.71,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-5.73[/color][/b]
    20070921,  151.97,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]5.02[/color][/b]
    20071019,  149.67,   %Chg:  -1.51
    20071116,  145.79,   %Chg:  -2.59
    20071221,  148.13,   %Chg:  1.61
    20080118,  132.05,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-10.86[/color][/b]
    20080215,  135.14,   %Chg:  2.34
    20080320,  132.07,   %Chg:  -2.27
    20080418,  138.48,   %Chg:  4.85
    20080516,  142.66,   %Chg:  3.02
    20080620,  131.57,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-7.77[/color][/b]
    20080718,  125.97,   %Chg:  -4.26
    20080815,  130.16,   %Chg:  3.33
    20080919,  124.11,   %Chg:  -4.65
    20081017,  93.20,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-24.91[/color][/b]
    20081121,  79.52,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-14.68[/color][/b]
    20081219,  88.19,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]10.90[/color][/b]
    20090116,  85.06,   %Chg:  -3.55
    20090220,  77.42,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-8.98[/color][/b]
    20090320,  76.71,   %Chg:  -0.92
    20090417,  87.08,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]13.52[/color][/b]
    20090515,  88.71,   %Chg:  1.87
    20090619,  92.04,   %Chg:  3.75
    20090717,  94.13,   %Chg:  2.27
    20090821,  102.96,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]9.38[/color][/b]
    20090918,  106.71,   %Chg:  3.64
    20091016,  108.88,   %Chg:  2.03
    20091120,  109.43,   %Chg:  0.51
    20091218,  110.21,   %Chg:  0.71
    20100115,  113.64,   %Chg:  3.11
    20100219,  111.14,   %Chg:  -2.20
    20100319,  115.97,   %Chg:  4.35
    20100416,  119.36,   %Chg:  2.92
    20100521,  109.12,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-8.58[/color][/b]
    20100618,  111.73,   %Chg:  2.39
    20100716,  106.65,   %Chg:  -4.55
    20100820,  107.53,   %Chg:  0.83
    20100917,  112.48,   %Chg:  4.60
    20101015,  117.70,   %Chg:  4.64
    20101119,  120.28,   %Chg:  2.19
    20101217,  124.30,   %Chg:  3.34
    20110121,  128.37,   %Chg:  3.27
    20110218,  134.53,   %Chg:  4.80
    20110318,  127.76,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-5.03[/color][/b]
    20110415,  132.04,   %Chg:  3.35
    20110520,  133.61,   %Chg:  1.19
    20110617,  127.05,   %Chg:  -4.91
    20110715,  131.69,   %Chg:  3.65
    20110819,  112.64,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-14.47[/color][/b]
    20110916,  121.52,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]7.88[/color][/b]
    20111021,  123.97,   %Chg:  2.02
    20111118,  121.98,   %Chg:  -1.61
    20111216,  121.59,   %Chg:  -0.32
    20120120,  131.54,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]8.18[/color][/b]
    20120217,  136.41,   %Chg:  3.70
    20120316,  140.30,   %Chg:  2.85
    20120420,  137.95,   %Chg:  -1.67
    20120518,  129.74,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-5.95[/color][/b]
    20120615,  134.14,   %Chg:  3.39
    20120720,  136.47,   %Chg:  1.74
    20120817,  142.18,   %Chg:  4.18
    20120921,  145.87,   %Chg:  2.60
    20121019,  143.39,   %Chg:  -1.70
    20121116,  136.37,   %Chg:  -4.90
    20121221,  142.79,   %Chg:  4.71
    20130118,  148.33,   %Chg:  3.88
    20130215,  152.11,   %Chg:  2.55
    20130315,  155.83,   %Chg:  2.45
    20130419,  155.48,   %Chg:  -0.22
    20130517,  166.94,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]7.37[/color][/b]
    20130621,  159.07,   %Chg:  -4.71
    20130719,  169.17,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]6.35[/color][/b]
      
    TOTAL MONTHS =  118
    DOWN MONTHS =  43
    UP MONTHS =  75
    
    %UP MONTHS =  63.56%
    AVG %UP MONTH =  3.36%
    
    %DOWN MONTHS =  36.44%
    AVG %DOWN MONTH =  -4.37%
    
     
  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Equivalent.

    But In general, I would be a buyer of puts over calls.

    Less risk of buy ins on hedging or dividend raises.

    I would be a seller of calls over puts for the same reason.
     
  5. FXforex

    FXforex

    In general the market goes up, so you would be better off buying calls. :)
     
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    We've missed you and your insightful comments.
     
  7. Thank you for the stats.
     
  8. Here's some more you might find interesting. This is the last 50 years of 3rd Friday closes for SPX. I know it is not SET values, but I believe the stats are still significant for anybody doing a monthly SPY/SPX strategy.

    Note that over the last 50 years SPX is up month-month 60% of the time. I bet someone who is patient could develop and trade a system based on this...

    Code:
    Third Friday to third Friday changes (at Close) for SP-500
    
    Start   19620216  Price:  70.59
    
    19620316,  70.96,   %Chg:  0.31
    19620419,  68.59,   %Chg:  -3.34
    19620518,  63.82,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-6.95[/color][/b]
    19620615,  55.89,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-12.43[/color][/b]
    19620720,  56.81,   %Chg:  1.65
    19620817,  59.01,   %Chg:  3.87
    19620921,  57.69,   %Chg:  -2.24
    19621019,  55.59,   %Chg:  -3.64
    19621116,  60.16,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]8.22[/color][/b]
    19621221,  62.64,   %Chg:  4.12
    19630118,  65.18,   %Chg:  4.05
    19630215,  66.41,   %Chg:  1.89
    19630315,  65.93,   %Chg:  -0.72
    19630419,  69.23,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]5.01[/color][/b]
    19630517,  70.29,   %Chg:  1.53
    19630621,  70.25,   %Chg:  -0.06
    19630719,  68.35,   %Chg:  -2.70
    19630816,  71.49,   %Chg:  4.59
    19630920,  73.30,   %Chg:  2.53
    19631018,  73.32,   %Chg:  0.03
    19631115,  72.35,   %Chg:  -1.32
    19631220,  74.28,   %Chg:  2.67
    19640117,  76.56,   %Chg:  3.07
    19640320,  78.92,   %Chg:  3.08
    19640417,  80.55,   %Chg:  2.07
    19640515,  80.61,   %Chg:  0.07
    19640619,  80.89,   %Chg:  0.35
    19640717,  84.01,   %Chg:  3.86
    19640821,  82.07,   %Chg:  -2.31
    19640918,  83.48,   %Chg:  1.72
    19641016,  84.83,   %Chg:  1.62
    19641120,  86.28,   %Chg:  1.71
    19641218,  84.29,   %Chg:  -2.31
    ...
    20100115,  1,136.03,   %Chg:  3.04
    20100219,  1,109.17,   %Chg:  -2.36
    20100319,  1,159.90,   %Chg:  4.57
    20100416,  1,192.13,   %Chg:  2.78
    20100521,  1,087.69,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-8.76[/color][/b]
    20100618,  1,117.51,   %Chg:  2.74
    20100716,  1,064.88,   %Chg:  -4.71
    20100820,  1,071.69,   %Chg:  0.64
    20100917,  1,125.59,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]5.03[/color][/b]
    20101015,  1,176.19,   %Chg:  4.50
    20101119,  1,199.73,   %Chg:  2.00
    20101217,  1,243.91,   %Chg:  3.68
    20110121,  1,283.35,   %Chg:  3.17
    20110218,  1,343.01,   %Chg:  4.65
    20110318,  1,279.20,   %Chg:  -4.75
    20110415,  1,319.68,   %Chg:  3.16
    20110520,  1,333.27,   %Chg:  1.03
    20110617,  1,271.50,   %Chg:  -4.63
    20110715,  1,316.14,   %Chg:  3.51
    20110819,  1,123.53,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-14.63[/color][/b]
    20110916,  1,216.01,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]8.23[/color][/b]
    20111021,  1,238.25,   %Chg:  1.83
    20111118,  1,215.65,   %Chg:  -1.83
    20111216,  1,219.66,   %Chg:  0.33
    20120120,  1,315.38,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]7.85[/color][/b]
    20120217,  1,361.23,   %Chg:  3.49
    20120316,  1,404.17,   %Chg:  3.15
    20120420,  1,378.53,   %Chg:  -1.83
    20120518,  1,295.22,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-6.04[/color][/b]
    20120615,  1,342.84,   %Chg:  3.68
    20120720,  1,362.66,   %Chg:  1.48
    20120817,  1,418.16,   %Chg:  4.07
    20120921,  1,460.15,   %Chg:  2.96
    20121019,  1,433.19,   %Chg:  -1.85
    20121116,  1,359.88,   %Chg:  [b][color=Red]-5.12[/color][/b]
    20121221,  1,430.15,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]5.17[/color][/b]
    20130118,  1,485.98,   %Chg:  3.90
    20130215,  1,519.79,   %Chg:  2.28
    20130315,  1,560.70,   %Chg:  2.69
    20130419,  1,555.25,   %Chg:  -0.35
    20130517,  1,667.47,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]7.22[/color][/b]
    20130621,  1,592.43,   %Chg:  -4.50
    20130719,  1,692.09,   %Chg:  [b][color=Blue]6.26[/color][/b]
      
    TOTAL MONTHS =  615
    DOWN MONTHS =  238
    UP MONTHS =  377
    
    %UP MONTHS =  61.3%
    AVG %UP MONTH =  3.2%
    
    %DOWN MONTHS =  38.7%
    AVG %DOWN MONTH =  -3.5%
    
     
  9. Beat me to it.

    Pearls before swine, mate.
     
  10. We certainly have. Welcome back. :)
     
    #10     Aug 5, 2013