Buy and Hold SP500 Not A Good Idea Afterall....

Discussion in 'Trading' started by libertad, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. gkishot

    gkishot

    What is your opinion on reits? Do you consider them a good buy as well?
     
    #11     Feb 22, 2009
  2. pathus21

    pathus21

    I think the answer might be a portfolio of multiple asset classes that is then rebalanced yearly or bi-yearly.

    I am not exactly sure who pioneered this strategy or what it is called but seems to make sense to me. It forces you to sell high and buy low.

    Obviously if you have the time and the will active investing is the best bet. What I mean by this is starting a business or investing in real estate.
     
    #12     Feb 22, 2009
  3. Specterx

    Specterx

    I don't know about REITs. The thing about RE it's feasible for one individual to do the research, do the work, and invest in specific rental props. If you want to gain exposure to other hard assets like timberlands, oilfields etc. then the capital and labor requirements are such that you're pretty much forced to go through an investment trust. I have more faith in my own ability to pick up and manage good real estate than I would in a REIT manager.
     
    #13     Feb 22, 2009
  4. Only way to make money from hereon is to daytrade in my opinion.

    Buy and hold - for the foreseeable future is pretty much a dead strategy.

    Profit off the intraday volatility!
     
    #14     Feb 22, 2009
  5. Buy and hold always has been and always will be a fallacy.

    Buy and hold in any market is good in hindsight where it appears to work over a 20-50 year timespan but swing trading and trend following will always and forever be a more prudent and less "faith" based system of investing.

    Taking into account any risk based statistics... buy and hold is risky because of the severe drawdowns you can experience... both in price and in time.
     
    #15     Feb 23, 2009
  6. #16     Mar 3, 2009
  7. Thanks for the link, TraderSystem. Where can we get these systems?
     
    #17     Mar 3, 2009
  8. Diode

    Diode

    The major stock index of the second largest economy in the world has been declining for 20 years. This is not an outlier.
     
    #18     Mar 3, 2009
  9. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    I'm a Broker and IAR. I agree with all of the above posters that buy and hold, is buy and mold.

    As for doctors and lawyers, I only have one MD in my book of Clients. Most MD's want to trade their own accounts. Oh yes, the difference in an MD and God? God doesn't think he's an MD.

    I've got two lawyers. Most of the others I meet are un-trusting kind of people, and also "manage" their own affairs. One lost $500,000 last year out of an $800,000 account he was "managing." lol!

    You'll love this. I sat in on a meeting at my former Firm's request to explain to a group of ambulance chasing lawyers that if they are going to open an account with Etrade, they have to sign the arbitration agreement. EVERYONE who opens a brokerage acct. has to sign one of these. However, the "head" lawyer said "I think I can beat that requirement in court." I laughed, and got up from the meeting. I told him and the others I get paid to make people money. I don't have time for this "debate."

    We weren't even going to be the firm they dealt with, but one of the "top" producers at my firm asked me to explain this to them so he can sell their referrals stuff from time to time.

    So now you know how I feel about MD's and lawyers. They're not God even when they act like it.

    I'd rather manage retirement $ for you guys, as at least you'd understand what we're doing... That's saying something!:D
     
    #19     Mar 3, 2009
  10. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    I forgot to mention, I don't care for arrogant people, and the MD's and lawyers are at the top of the "food chain" in this regard.

    Being humble, and competent is the only way to be imo.
     
    #20     Mar 3, 2009