But what about copper ?

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by syswizard, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. Indeed ! April down to $3.41.
    It's right on the precipice boys.....it's gotta hold here or look-out below.
     
    #231     Mar 28, 2013
  2. Visual.....


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    #232     Mar 28, 2013
  3. Yep - thanks zr1.
    3.25 is next, then 3 - even...that'll be the big one.
     
    #233     Mar 28, 2013
  4. It's cracking ..... down $1.50 in opening Globex trading.
     
    #234     Mar 31, 2013
  5. $3.40 is "gone" boys....we're down 4 pennies in early trading.

    Now that was fast.
     
    #235     Apr 1, 2013
  6. Cause: Weak Economic Reports out of....CHINA !
     
    #236     Apr 1, 2013
  7. Down 2 more pennies.
    Is this thing EVER going to bounce ?
    It's come a long way down since $3.80.
     
    #237     Apr 3, 2013

  8. Have any positions?
     
    #238     Apr 3, 2013
  9. We're gonna need to see solid increase in demand across the board - Europe, US, Latin-America Asia, Africa & Middle-East in order for copper to rise significantly. Or at the very least, a majority of these regions. Remember that industrial demand for copper is driven a lot by construction where it's used for hot water piping and other things.

    For demand to increase that must, we'd need to see major economic reforms that create purchasing power with the mass public and lead to serious investment in housing and commercial real-estate. The problem is that the political and upper class are holding on by a thread and the only way for them to survive and keep their power-structure in tact is to destroy the liberties that are required to lead to those developments. Liberties like free markets which would require deregulation - something the elites of Washington will not give up as it shifts a lot of power back into the working and middle classes.
     
    #239     Apr 3, 2013
  10. Well Evo, I appreciate that socio-political view.
    But let's get back to the basic supply-demand situation.
    I think the real problem is with China. That government is now starting to act to reduce growth and inflation. That's gotta be the main driver for supply. The US housing and construction market appears to be strengthening, yet I believe it's not a significant factor with respects to demand for copper.

    As far as supply goes, I'm not sure if there is anything on the horizon that would change it....other than some strike or incidence of violence at one of the larger mines.
    At $3+/lb, we are still way above the cost of production which I think is a $1.20 or so. Thus as long as we hold the $3 level, the mines will continue their output rate. At $2.50, there will be cut-backs. Below $2, they may stop production.
    http://www.barrick.com/operations/copper/default.aspx
    This really surprised me....I thought copper cost about a buck to produce.
     
    #240     Apr 3, 2013