But what about copper ?

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by syswizard, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. #111     Jan 7, 2013
  2. CNBC and MarketWatch are not the same !

    There are some good articles on Marketwatch....and that was excellent technical analysis with a bit of fundamental analysis as well. To be a good trader, I think you need both.

    Point is: copper could go back to $4....incredible as that seems.
     
    #112     Jan 7, 2013
  3. it was a joke.. not meant to poke at ya so much.. you think theres probably a correlation to interest rates and copper.. like inflationary type of thing.. meaning copper follows inflation and demand..
     
    #113     Jan 7, 2013
  4. yes, but IN THIS ECONOMY, higher interest rates indicate "no more fed".
    Big difference from earlier "economies"...that were market-driven.
     
    #114     Jan 7, 2013
  5. I think you may be on to something there. I know the forex market I am trading in 2013 is totally different than the market I was trading in 2012.

    Unfortunately, I have never been a good student of rates.

    I think the boys that are going to have a clue are the boys who have a clue where rates are going.
     
    #115     Jan 8, 2013
  6. Look, this rate stuff is hard to discern.
    Rates will likely go up very gradually at first.
    However, if they start to accelerate, then money will come out of equities and commodities in a risk-off move.
    Gold, silver, and copper will decline in a big way.
    I'm not saying this is going to happen, but it could, if the Fed loses control.
    Remember the song "Hold On Loosely" by 38 special ?
    Well, the Fed needs to sing "Hold on Tightly".
     
    #116     Jan 8, 2013
  7. Alcoa's positive announcement has had no effect on CME Copper futures.
    Interesting.
    Could be a case of "can't fool the markets"....i.e. it doesn't believe the bullish case for aluminum.
     
    #117     Jan 8, 2013
  8. http://www.futuresmag.com/2013/01/0...edium=eNL&utm_campaign=FUT_eNL&_LID=103722366
    Great, great article with excellent analysis.
    I love the quip:
    "It is hard to justify copper at $3.50 to $4.00 per pound – or even at lower prices – without the influence of Chinese imports. The average cost of production – even after including copper from mines with lower ore grades in Chile, which is more expensive to extract – is still far below current prices. If this commodity lived by the rules of many other commodities, prices would have to plummet to catch up"

    So what's holding it up ? Obviously speculators...of Chinese influence.
    Why ? They're holding a mega-ton of copper.
    They have much to lose on a copper price plunge.
     
    #118     Jan 9, 2013
  9. Volume for the March copper contract is thru the roof today.
    Was up 3 pennies, now up only 1.
     
    #119     Jan 9, 2013
  10. Copper again being highlighted in an article on Marketwatch:
    http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/01/09/eight-smart-trades-if-china-goes-bust/
     
    #120     Jan 9, 2013