Bush...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dgmodel, Jan 1, 2004.

  1. cdbern

    cdbern

    The ability to speak without a prompter does not determine intelligence. It has NO significance. How much experience do you have with public speaking?

    You may disagree with his opinions, however, to conclude HE isn't a bright man borders on arrogance.
     
    #121     Jan 7, 2004
  2. Pabst

    Pabst

    Graduate of Yale.
    MBA from Harvard.
    Multi-Lingual
    Licensed F102 Jet Pilot
    Multimillionaire
    World's Most Important Leader

    Sounds like a real idiot, eh?
     
    #122     Jan 7, 2004
  3. Winston

    Winston

    Churchillian and Machiavellian would be more apt descriptions. Want to see the future, look to antiquity. This man is saving civilization. I don't care what his politics are. Look at T. Blair, he's at the opposite end of the political spectrum but intelligent enough to know civilization is under attack. Just like Winny and FDR.
     
    #123     Jan 8, 2004
  4. Economic Chickenhawks
    by RICH PROCTER

    The wonderful "Chickenhawk Database" defines a chickenhawk as "a public person, generally male who (1) tends to advocate, or is a fervent supporter of those who advocate, military solutions to political problems, and who have personally (2) declined to take advantage of a significant opportunity to serve in uniform during wartime." Naturally, just about every "Bomb the dune goons back to the stone age and grab their oil" type in the Bush Administration had "other priorities" when it came to serving in the military during the Vietnam War. It's breathtaking how many Bushies managed to get out of serving their beloved country. Bill Bennett, chickenhawk supreme, has actually written a book called "Why We Fight." Shouldn't the book be called "Why They Fight"? Bennett left the room when the last fight started.

    Okay, so what's an "economic chickenhawk"? I'd define it as "a public person, generally male, who (1) tends to advocate, or is a fervent supporter of those who advocate radical, permanent tax cuts and "voodoo" economic programs designed to make the rich richer, all in the name of 'free enterprise,' while (2) declining to take advantage of a significant opportunity to participate in the free enterprise system itself.

    In other words, Bush/Rove/Cheney are dangerous to the economic health of the United States because none of them has ever successfully run a real business. Running a successful business is a tough, complex, messy, difficult enterprise, requiring a good product, sound judgement, intelligence, ability to deal with people, timing, and luck. Complex thinking, intelligence and the ability to embrace ambiguity are not the hallmarks of the Bush Administration.

    Just as it's a wonder that anyone cares what Bush thinks about military matters, since he dodged serving in Vietnam through Poppy's intervention (and then went AWOL from his National Guard Post), it's incredible anyone can take his economic thoughts seriously. Here's a man who ran his oil company into the ground (resorting to insider trading to make his bones before bailing on the stockholders), and then made some dough off his failing baseball team ONLY after blackmailing the taxpayers into building him a free stadium. As Governor of Texas, he destroyed the ability of the state to raise money through tax cuts, and then bugged out before the consequences hit. Since he's come into power, he's turned a huge surplus into an exploding deficit, produced no jobs, and sent Wall Street into a tailspin. And now he's offering more of the same, and we're supposed to care what he thinks?

    ALL of the Bush Economic Death Squad -- Cheney, Rove, Grover Norquist, etc. -- have avoided serving in the Free Enterprise System. Almost all of them have spent their time in one of three places -- Big Government (which they pretend to hate, and want to dismantle), Think Tanks (safely insulated from the hurly-burly having to create and sell products), and Mega-Corporations like Halliburton, where the real business of the business is getting Big Government to dole out pork-laden "no-bid" overrun-friendly contracts.

    Before we listen to George W. Bush about economic issues, I suggest we let him spend a couple of years running a hamburger stand somewhere. Let him deal with suppliers, employees and customers. See how long he lasts by slashing the price of the product but tripling his own salary. Find out how he likes knowing that his livelihood is actually dependent on pleasing his customers while paying attention to the bottom line. No exploding deficits here, George, or you're gone.

    The Economic Chickenhawks in the Bush Administration can yammer about "cutting taxes to produce jobs" and "cutting dividends to create prosperity" with such confidence because they've never put these principles to the test themselves (GUESS WHAT! THEY DON'T WORK!). Like the Vietnam war, where these gutless wonders could safely bellow about the domino theory and "getting tough with Ho Chi Minh" from the safety of the Young Americans For Freedom Rec Room at Yale while blacks and poor Southern whites did the actually fighting and dying, so now they can pretend that "Leave No Millionaire Behind" economic voodoo actually means something. None of these folks have ever succeeded running a real business. None WILL EVER run a real business -- after Bush loses in '04, they'll go back to their Think Tanks, Consulting Fiefdoms and Corporate Boardrooms, and continue to pretend that making rich people richer actually makes the United States a better place.

    John Kenneth Galbraith once said, "One of the greatest pieces of economic wisdom is to know what you do not know." The Bushies don't know what they don't know. Worse yet, they don't care about finding out. Their economic policy is like their war policy. They have that absolute Chickenhawk clarity that comes with never having actually had to fight the battle themselves.

    Before you buy into George's economic plan, ask yourself this question -- would you trust him to run a 7-11? I wouldn't. After trying to fix the Slurpee machine, he go AWOL again.
     
    #124     Mar 8, 2004
  5. Listen to the dolt. He is not a bright man. He cannot forumlate thoughts. He is a complete idiot when it comes to language. He is only where he is because of the wealth and power of his family's political connections. If I were a republican, I'd be mortified to have this bozo representing my party.

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    #125     Mar 8, 2004
  6. what do each of those have in common...?
     
    #126     Mar 8, 2004
  7. Yes, he is a moron.

    No one looks like this and is intelligent:

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    How can anyone not look at that photo and not see the village idiot?



     
    #127     Mar 8, 2004
  8. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Another ad hominem attack from ART, the man who shuns ad hominem attacks. LOL. Embrace your hypocrisy my friend, embrace it.
     
    #128     Mar 8, 2004
  9. cdbern

    cdbern

    If you're a democrat, you do have a bozo representing your party.
     
    #129     Mar 8, 2004
  10. It is funny how some people have different perspective on the argumentation process, and know when ad hominem is not in fact a logical fallacy.

    The first statement made is Bush is an idiot.
    The second statement is in the form of a photo displaying his moronic brain dead monkey like appearance.
    The conclusion is that he is an idiot based on the photo.

    Ad hominem is when you attack the person. It usually (but not always) becomes a logical fallacy when you attack the person rather than their argument or position.

    I am not attacking Bush's argument or position, I am attacking Bush directly for being a moron. I have always seen him to be a moron, not just because he is a Republican or because he is President, but because he is a moron. From the very first time I saw his photo, I thought, "There is a moron."

    In this context, my comments about his stupidity are not an ad hominem fallacy, as my statement and argument have to do with his being a moron, not his position or political policy.

    The following passage is from this link: http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/rwhiteside/TAHA.HTM

    "......But some arguments are classed as fallacies that are not always fallacies. Hill's Jevons puts the argumentum ad hominem down as a fallacy, but it is not always a fallacy. It may be as valid as any other argument. The [p. 65] ad hominem argument is an argument to the man; it is an appeal to his interests, his pride, his sense of justice and right, or his passions, etc. It depends upon the circumstances and the motive as to whether it is a fallacy. If in trying to save a man from disgraceful conduct, I appeal to his family pride and to his self-interest, I am using the argumentum ad hominem, but there is no fallacy. If your opponent is practicing some things that in principle are exactly like the thing he opposes, you may charge the inconsistency upon him with the hope of getting him to see the point and abandon his opposition. That is the argumentum ad hominem, but where is there any fallacy? If a man is opposing one thing and practicing a similar wrong, you may show him his inconsistency, and thereby induce him to abandon the wrong that he is practicing.

    In Bush's case, pointing out that he is a moron and an idiot are not the same as calling his policies moronic and idiotic, although it is difficult to imagine a moron and idiot like Bush not generating idiotic and moronic policy...but it is possible that.
     
    #130     Mar 8, 2004