Bush, Cheney in deep funk after Israel war performance

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    Bush, Cheney in deep funk after Israel war performance

    Hezbollah supporters wave Hezbollah flags during the funeral procession of Kassim Ali Garib, Hassan Ali Garib and Haisan Ali Garib, three Hezbollah fighters, in the village of Naqoura in southern Lebanon on Aug. 20, after they were killed in the recent conflict with Israel. (AP Photo/Sergey Ponomarev)

    President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have been extremely disappointed by Israel's failure to defeat Hezbollah.

    Government sources said the Israeli failure has led to deep pessimism within the National Security Council and Pentagon regarding U.S. goals in the Middle East, particularly the effort to

    stop Iran's advance in Iraq and toward nuclear weapons. The sources said the Israeli experience has been used by the Pentagon to explain the U.S. difficulty in halting the deterioration of order in Iraq.

    "There's a lot of doom and gloom in the White House over the U.S. future in the Middle East," a source said. "Everybody feels there's been a significant strategic shift in favor of the bad guys."

    Mr. Bush and his advisers have sought to clarify Israel's standoff with Hezbollah in the 33-day war in Lebanon. Over the last week, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who has avoided meeting Israeli leaders, held an unannounced session with visiting Israeli Vice Premier Shimon Peres.

    Later, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni met former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who has served as an unofficial consultant to Mr. Bush.

    The Livni-Kissinger talks focused on Israel's strategic position and the expected confrontation with Iran.

    "The overall impression is that the Israeli government is not the kind of government that provides clear and effective management of war," said Anthony Cordesman, a former Pentagon official and now a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "The same message is one that is being communicated about the senior command of the IDF [Israel’s military]. It was very clear that the government began this war rapidly, without proper preparation, without proper training of the reserves."

    Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have sought to understand the implications of the Hezbollah war for the U.S. military presence in Iraq. Hours after the United Nations-arranged ceasefire in Lebanon on Aug. 14, they went to the Pentagon for a lunch with a group of outside experts to discuss the prospects of Iraq.

    The meeting included Mr. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace. Ms. Rice is said to have devoted 90 percent of her time to the Lebanon war.

    "This is certainly one of the toughest challenges we have faced in the last few years," said Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns, regarded as a leading architect of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. "We knew the consequences were very broad. We recognized this was not just a border war between Hezbollah and Israel."

    Mr. Rumsfeld is said to have assessed that Sunni and Shiite militias would use the Hezbollah model in the insurgency war in Iraq. The defense secretary has been concerned that Iranian-backed Shiite militias would soon deploy anti-tank missiles that Hezbollah used against the Israeli army in Lebanon.

    "If they can knock out the [Israeli main battle tank] Merkava, then they can certainly do the same with the Bradley, Stryker and even Abrams," an official said. "This will be a priority for Rumsfeld and the army."

    Mr. Bush's biggest concern is said to be Iran, which his advisers assert intends to dominate the Middle East through a takeover of Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. The president has ordered Ms. Rice to press hard for U.N. Security Council sanctions against Tehran over the next few weeks.

    "Syria is a tool of Iran today and it has been for some time," former Secretary of State Alexander Haig said. "But it's been a tool for other people, as well. Iran is the ideological core of our problem."

    At the same time, Mr. Bush has been urged by some of his advisers to prepare for a disengagement from the Middle East while focusing on homeland security. Last week, the president was briefed by the National Security Council and Homeland Security Council.

    "America is safer than it has been, yet it is not yet safe," Mr. Bush said. "The enemy has got an advantage when it comes to attacking our homeland: They got to be right one time and we've got to be right 100 percent of the time to protect the American people."
  2. Israel and the US share a common problem, poor leadership. You cannot expect soldiers to risk death, when it is clear their political masters are not prepared to do what is necessary to prevail. Bush is willing to lose 2500 soldiers' lives, but he isn't prepared to blow up mosques that are being used like National Guard armories by insurgents. It apparently hasn't occurred to him or his brain trust that the easiest way to deter Iranian troublemaking is to give Iran some trouble on its own borders to deal with. Our military is quick to prosecute soldiers who might have harmed some Iraqis, but we do nothing about insurgent leaders who have their own private militias and kidnap and torture Americans. We're afraid we might alienate the shi'ias.

    Israel's muddled approach and its mixed success may have a silver lining. It must be clear that we can't fight imbedded terrorists like hezbollah or the various insurgencies in Iraq as police actions, where we try to hunt them down one by one as they hide among the general population. Instead our strategy should be either to isolate them or kill them in large numbers by using overwhelming force.

    In Iraq, we should dissolve the government, take control of the oil industry and appoint a military governor. Our troops should guard the oil infrastructure and the borders. Use Iraqi goons to control the population. They've had a lot of experience doing it, and the Iraqi population is clearly adrift without it.
  3. Read a good article about how the Isreal army is only skilled at shooting defenceless civillians, that they are not trained to fight a real war these days.
    Of course they do not want peace anyway.
  4. Really?

    Two elections now mean nothing? So "democracy" works only until it doesn't or until they don’t elect your guy? Blue-died-fingered dipshit republican congressman now have to chop off their fingers Yakuza style?

    Typical nonsense.

    All Neo-cons must die.

    I stand firmly on the edge of the gene pool with two bottles of Clorox in each hand.

  5. In 33 days of fighting Israel achieved more in Lebanon than the US achieved in Iraq after 3.5 years of occupation or Russia achieved in Chechnya after 10 years of carpet bombing.

    Of course your buddies Nazrallah, Ahmadinejad and Bashar Al-Assad work tirelessly for peace, of course "defenceless civilians" in Lebanon want peace when they vote for Hezbollah, of course "defenceless civilians" in Gaza want peace when the elect Hamas.

  6. LMAO. u are seriously cukoo
  7. As opposed to those brave freedom fighters of the religion of peace that hide among civilians and use them as shields and then parade their beloved brothers around as victims of Isreali action.



  8. your argument is nonsense...hez is not an army, it's a guerrilla group and doesn't confront the enemy directly, if it did so just wouldn't stand a chance and israel knew that, yet decided to bomb to death fleein' civilians and children, INDISCRIMINATELY.
  9. YOUR argument is nonsense, if hez is a guarrilla group hiding among civilians then they are the ones who are ultimately responsible for the death of those civilians. If Israel bombed them indiscriminately there would have been not hundreds but hundreds of thousands dead.

  10. bsmeter


    Sad but true. They killed Rabin and then their own man Sharon.

    Any Israeli who utters the words peace is ok as long as he does'nt actually take the steps to implement peace.
    #10     Aug 24, 2006